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Why is all the outrage directed at the school. They are simply obeying a STATE statute. School administrators can not choose which laws they want to obey and those they don't. It is the legislature that created this mess.:fire:
 
Toy guns get boys suspended
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?ID=s1478589&date=012704

But, according to Wilson-Spence, the toy guns her son carried in his pocket were for GI Joe action figures. The guns are from only 1 inch to 3 inches long -- half the size of a pencil.

Reader Submission: The Independent "Police" State of Dade
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/070406_reader_submission_police_state_dade.html

Or what about the idiotic policy of zero tolerance, but in reality is zero common sense, at public schools? The publicly stated fear of school shootings that developed during the 1990s is the official reason for the increased police presence and prison-like atmosphere at schools.

A model public school student in Indiana forgot about a Swiss Army knife in his pocket, and immediately went to the principal's office to turn it in. However, he was punished, and may be expelled for having a weapon at school.

A Savannah, Georgia elementary school student was suspended for having a 1/6th scale GI Joe toy rifle at school, as that was deemed a "weapon".

Five-Year-Old Suspended from Kindergarten
http://www.wtoc.com/global/Story.asp?s=896296

To give you a perspective of the size of these violent toys, one is almost the size of a quarter. They are the plastic guns which kids use for their GI Joe dolls.
 
I swear, you don't play an active role in your local/state/national politics for 20 or 30 years and all hell breaks loose...
 
From JJ Luna:

Author John Taylor Gatto, in the 10th-anniversary edition of his remarkable book Dumbing Us Down, says that when compulsory schooling was first proposed in 1850, it was resisted—some-times with guns—by an estimated 80 percent of the population. Not until 1880 did parents surren-der, seeing the militia take charge and march the children off to school under guard. "Schools," he declares, "are intended to produce human beings whose behavior can be predicted and controlled. .. . Well-schooled people are irrelevant. They can sell films and razor blades, push paper and talk on telephones, or sit mindlessly before a flickering computer terminal, but as human beings, they are useless. Useless to others and useless to themselves."

The words of a madman? Don't judge Gatto (a respected teacher, by the way!) before you read the book. It opens with four solid pages of recommendations from authorities in the field.

Gatto writes, "...we must wake up to what our schools really are: laboratories of experimentation on young minds, drill centers for the habits and attitudes that corporate society demands. Mandatory education serves children only incidentally; its real purpose is to turn them into servants...We have been taught (that is, schooled) in this country to think of "success" as synonymous with, or at least dependent upon, "schooling," but historically that isn't true in either an intellectual or a financial sense."
 
I was at a public highschool in Oklahoma helping with a sporting event (indoor swimming) when a teen walked in with a dummy rifle.

It was made of a wood stock, a peice of metal tube for the barrel and duct tape to hold it together.

From a distance, it looked like a M1.:what:

Nobody even flinched, I guess down here in the south, we just assumed it was a drill rifle.

But if it was real, all I would have done was asked him to go put it in his car (because there were young children around).

I went to look at it just to be sure, but I knew it was harmless.

Why is common sence being replaced with BS laws and rules?:cuss:

I was lucky, when I was in the 4th grade my parents took me out of school and homeschooled me.

You know why? Because of BS like this!:banghead:
 
two kids were allowed to have a sword fight with REAL SWORDS (though not on school property)

Reminds me of back in high school, for English class we did a home movie depicting a scene from Beowulf for class at one of my friend's houses, and I carted over my collection of reproduction swords for it (Six or seven at that point) and the teacher thought it was great, as opposed to horrendous (2003ish)

Also, I spent 15 minutes in his pool (I played Grendel) in 35* weather. Not awesome.
 
Am I the only one who cries that what idiot brings guns onto a school ground, drill rifles or not. I mean come on stupidity is to blame here. The issue is the person who brought them onto school grounds and left them in view, that is not cool and against every school rule ive ever seen.
 
The elementary school to which I delivered once had a lady in the breakfast line who freaked out and became border-line hysterical when she saw the kid in a camo shirt with an embroidered rifle proficiency patch. (He had earned it at the range.)

A couple of days later, I handed every kid on my bus a quarter and instructed them to use it to buy milk. I also instructed them to be sure to show the "milk lady" the rifle the patriot was holding on the obverse of the Massachusetts quarter.

The Principal grabbed me and took me into his office. We both laughed so hard we almost wet our pants. :neener::evil::D

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AUGHHHH! Then every male teacher in school should be arrested for carrying around the impliments for perpetuating rape upon unsuspecting females! School administrators all need a good pounding to put some common sense back into their lives. Oh - to keep this on topic - I have several handguns, as well as a few rifles - one an evil black real looking AR15 - gasp!:neener:
 
.........border-line hysterical when she saw the kid in a camo shirt with an embroidered rifle proficiency patch

To me this is the biggest threat to the 2A. The people who have been trained to believe that a gun is inherently dangerous and evil that will vote our rights away through ignorance. :fire::fire:
 
My daughters have been in the office allot for talking about shooting and hunting. I have been called on several occasions to find a more suitable hobby for a 9(10 now)yr and a 7 (8 this Sunday) old little girl. My reply?
The older went to school one day straight from squirreling in her cammies and blood still on her hands from cleaning them. I waved at her with her shotgun in my hand as she climbed on the bus.
It was received rather well, and it took less than four minutes for me to get a phone call. I asked if they had a restroom and pointed out that that would be a better place for hand washing rather than a principal's office. I then laid out the lesson she had learned. She had a distinct understanding of kinetic energy that surpassed that of her teacher. She knew the formula and how to apply it. She had passed on several shots that morning as the 410 did not have the energy to knock a squirrel out of a tree beyond a certain distance based on a spread of a cone and the likely amount of shot to hit the target. She did make the error of assuming muzzle velocity, but hey, no one but me noticed.
So geometry, physics, and ballistics all taught hunting. All laid out- in simplistic form- while I listened on the phone to the principal's amazed "My God's." I told them they could ask her anything about the woods in the area and she would answer. From life cycles to geology she has been taught it as we tromp the woods. I asked if they had a better curriculum, and reminded them that I was close to pulling my kids from their school if they could not concentrate on teaching instead of my childrens' hobbies.
I hate this school and vote down every levy they put up as their priorities are screwed. They worry more about the fact that I work afternoons, than about whether my child actually understands something. Yep, I love our education system!
I know this applies more to the hunting side, but they two are interelated if you ask me.
 
My daughters have been in the office allot for talking about shooting and hunting. I have been called on several occasions to find a more suitable hobby for a 9(10 now)yr and a 7 (8 this Sunday) old little girl.

WOW. Like what watching Brittney Spears, Paris Hilton make drunken fools of themselves this week?

Should have told those school officials to go bugger themselves. Sounds like a sexist slant as well as a anti gun slant.

and blood still on her hands from cleaning them.

This is the only point where I sort of sided with them. If I was the principal the call would have went something like "Uh could you just please make sure your daughter doesn't come to school with blood on her anymore as it concered the teachers and upset some students."

But I wouldnt have had her in my office, just sent her to the bathroom and to class. I would have a problem if my child came to school with a noticable amount of blood on them and wasn't called. I can see a few reasons why blood on a small child would raise a question or two.
 
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Why is all the outrage directed at the school. They are simply obeying a STATE statute. School administrators can not choose which laws they want to obey and those they don't. It is the legislature that created this mess.

This is exactly correct. The school people, although stupid in their own right, are only hiding behind the state and federal laws, which are also stupid. The Columbine Killers Klebold and Harris really hosed things up for the rest of us.
 
I've read a lot of ranting and raving on this topic on this site. Universally calling anti-gun folks morons or the like.

I've a suggestion to all you arm-chair quarterbacks who don't like the laws in your district/city/state quit your passive complaints on these forums and get on down to the town hall meetings or school board meetings and voice your opinions there. Offer a reasoned approach to these Zero Tolerance Laws based on uncommonly exercised "Common Sense!"

If you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain about what the voters decided.

Voting isn't just a privilege, it is a responsibility.
 
This is the only point where I sort of sided with them. If I was the principal the call would have went something like "Uh could you just please make sure your daughter doesn't come to school with blood on her anymore as it concered the teachers and upset some students."

But I wouldnt have had her in my office, just sent her to the bathroom and to class. I would have a problem if my child came to school with a noticable amount of blood on them and wasn't called. I can see a few reasons why blood on a small child would raise a question or two.
I agree, but I had warned them. Plus it isn't like she didn't tell them what it was from. She was actually on her way to wash her hands (after telling her teacher) when she got sent to the office. Another case of the child's honest explanation not being good enough. Allot of adults treat kids as if they can't speak for themselves. I at least listen to mine (even if I don't always agree). I find it works better if I avoid the "Because I said so" answer as much as I can.
The funny thing is they searched her bag for rounds and found she had stashed a squirrel tail in it! I had to punish her for that, but I wish I had been there!
In the local high school it is still common (especially during deer season) to see shot guns in the gun racks of both the students and the teachers trucks. As far as I know, it has never caused an issue so no one cares.
 
The funny thing is they searched her bag for rounds and found she had stashed a squirrel tail in it! I had to punish her for that, but I wish I had been there!

ROTFLMAO Omg I would have loved to see those teachers faces. Good job sounds like your raising two level headed young women. Plus points for teaching them how to clean an animal I dont know many guys that could to that!
 
I've a suggestion to all you arm-chair quarterbacks who don't like the laws in your district/city/state quit your passive complaints on these forums and get on down to the town hall meetings or school board meetings and voice your opinions there. Offer a reasoned approach to these Zero Tolerance Laws based on uncommonly exercised "Common Sense!"

If you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain about what the voters decided.

Voting isn't just a privilege, it is a responsibility.

I agree with you, but I just got off the phone again with the school a few minutes ago. Of all things my child's cookies are being sent home because one child may react to peanuts if the chocolate chips are made in the same factory. Ok, now it's like a .0000000000001% chance of this, but they use it to avoid the "possibility" of something going wrong.
If you show up and voice anything to the board, I'm sure someone will voice the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of the "toy" going off and that will be the and of it. More ruling by the minority so you don't infringe upon the rights of one. Just destroy the rights of the rest of us.
I remember handing my Chemistry teacher a knife cause she needed it and being thanked, not locked up.
 
ROTFLMAO Omg I would have loved to see those teachers faces. Good job sounds like your raising two level headed young women. Plus points for teaching them how to clean an animal I dont know many guys that could to that!
Thank you. I figure I'm doing ok when the younger one wants a "coyote and groundhog" gun instead of Barbies for her B-day. Of course, she'll have to learn how to load for it. I do that kind of teaching allot. You want this? Then you have to learn this because of it. They can do oil changes too (as long as I loosen the hard plugs).
 
Why is all the outrage directed at the school. They are simply obeying a STATE statute. School administrators can not choose which laws they want to obey and those they don't. It is the legislature that created this mess.

Because there is no state requirement that mandated school administrators be
less understanding. The guns were declared "authentic representations of genuine

Can students pass their course if their test answers are clearly not correct, but are "authentic representations of correct answers."
 
The guns were declared "authentic representations of genuine weapons," triggering a mandatory expulsion statute in state law.

I saw the pictures of them and there is no way they were "authentic representations." They were not something that had to be studied to figure out that they weren't real.
 
Outstanding news!!!! I guess the school board was finally shamed to their senses by the thousands of voices calling them dumbasses. Not to mention the negative publicity all over the papers and the TV news.
 
Yup it's official as of the 10 O'clock news the young lady has been reinstated to class. Pro gun rights activism has carried the day
 
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