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Your ATF At Work - South African Ammo Now OK For Import

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Aug 5, 2005.

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  1. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

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    For those who may have forgotten, you used to be able to import plentiful and relatively cheap surplus ammo from South Africa manufactured by a company called Denel. However, around 2002, the ATF stopped the import of the South African ammo because of Department of State sanctions prohibiting trade in defense-related items with South Africa.

    Here is the funny part though - those sanctions related to the apartheid government of South Africa and had been lifted in 1994. It seems Department of State simply forgot to notify ATF who never even realized there were sanctions to enforce until about 8 years after the sanctions had been ended. At that point, ATF decided to make up for lost time I guess.

    Anyway, the Department of State was recently kind enough to inform the ATF that the sanctions had ended in 1994. State gave ATF this notification in March 2005.... acting with the swiftness of a decisive bureaucrat, ATF resisted the urge to form an intergovernmental commission from several agencies studying the issue of whether they should continue to enforce sanctions that had been ended over a decade earlier and with a mere 4 months to consider the issue has recently decided to allow the import of South African ammo once again!

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/071105openletter.pdf

    Never attribute to malice or conspiracy what can be explained by Byzantine bureaucracy....
     
  2. Waitone

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    Strike another blow for free tra. . . . er, Managed Trade.
     
  3. Ukraine Train

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    I've seen surplus S. African .308 on the market for a while, did they import it before the sanctions? That's a whole lot of initial cost to buy enough ammo that retailers are still selling it years later.
     
  4. armoredman

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    Great! Not like we didn't have Denel South African ammo for some time at the range I worked at....how did that get in? I have a ton of PMP 9mm cases to reload, all from SA - where did they come from? Warehoused all this time?
    That's OK - Denel was/is good ammo.
     
  5. DonP

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    5.56 SA in Battlepacks

    A couple of years back there were a lot of sealed rubberized "Battlepacks" of 300 rounds of 5.56 available at the shows and local stores.

    It just kind of dried up and I wondered why. Even my local gun store didn't know where it went. Now I do.

    I stocked up back then but I'm starting to run low now. Any new cheap surplus ammo is welcome.
     
  6. TMM

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    isn't SA surplus very corrosive?
     
  7. Third_Rail

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    Nope, not unless they use corrosive primers, which no military still does that I'm aware of.
     
  8. rick_reno

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    Isn't this Politically Correct Trade?
     
  9. El Tejon

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    Hooray, for Suid Afrikan ammo! :D

    Started buying the stuff at the '95 Knob Creek. Always did well for me.

    Anyone else buy any of the ammo from Mugabestan? Think the stuff was made by RSA company, that stuff shot well for me as well.
     
  10. foghornl

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    What a goofy situation....

    Denel is the "parent company" of PMP...Pretoria Metal Pressing...South Africa's munitions maker for both Mil and Commercial markets.

    PMP markets ammo under all 3 names..Denel PMP ProAmm
     
  11. Lone_Gunman

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    The Republican lap dogs on this board will undoubtedly count this as another Republican success story.
     
  12. dpesec

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    Yes another success for free trade and it does prove that the government snail does actually get through

    I bourght some of the 5.56 too. I figured I should stock up after 9/11. I figured that the domestic ammo plant couldn't keep up with the needs.
     
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    Come now Mr. Bitterman, it is time for your daily walk. Remember not to spit on the those devlish Republican children as you walk by them :neener:
     
  14. JohnBT

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    Oh, what's one more gratuitous slur more or less.

    Those .223 battle packs were good stuff. I haven't seen one in at least two or three months. Somebody stocked up on it.

    John
     
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    Politically Correct Trade: for folks whose blood boils at the thought of the melanin-deprived oppressing the melanin-excessive, but for some reason can't be bothered when those with similarly-large amounts of melanin kill each other off in the tens of thousands. :scrutiny:

    More ammo is a good thing.

    I prefer the term, "lickspittle" to "lapdog."

    For example:
    "Ever the toady and lickspittle, Asa Hutchinson (as Under Secretary for Border & Transportation Security), ordered the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to cease enforcement of the laws that are their reason for being when he received angry calls from employers of illegal aliens. It seems the employers (who leave a slime trail in their wake) did not like being held accountable for their actions when their businesses were raided and they were cited for employing illegal aliens."

    NOTE: It is not my belief that all who support one or more of GWB's policies are lickspittles. Some are, however, and are known by their pavlovian response to the GWB administration's actions. Pavlovian...I guess "lapdog" can be an accurate descriptor.
     
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    I've been seeing SA ammo for a long, long time. There is certainly a ton more of it in circulation than say chinese steel core.
     
  17. pokey074

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    Interesting. SA surplus .303 used to be quite plentiful. Hopefully they will once again start importing the acres upon acres of SA .303 that's sitting out in the desert.
     
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    Now we can have cheap imported ammo from a murderous, racist, communist country. I wonder which U.S. party brought it to power?
     
  19. griz

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    Whenever I hear of something like a slight lag of eleven years for one gov agency to talk to another, I think of the good news: there is no way these clowns are competent enough to pull off one of those bizarre conspiracies they are often accused of.
     
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    Do you wonder if ATF got the news about the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, yet?
     
  21. Kharn

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    Woohoo, my FAL loves the battle packs. I hope they bring'em in by the container full. I could use some battle-packed .223 too.

    Kharn
     
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    Kharn, a lot of it is already here. Has been sitting in warehouses. And sitting, and sitting, and sitting . . . . :scrutiny:
     
  23. Randy in Arizona

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    Well IIRC the evil white government was ousted by a combination of trade sanctions, world opinion, political pressure, and enormous amounts of leftist whining. (MSM publicized to the maximum of course!)

    Now of course the Wonderful Government of Colour is in control (RIGHT!) and everything is wonderful. Crime rates have gotten so bad the MSM doesn't report them because the Wonderful Government of Colour might be viewed in a bad light. And I am sure that you can figure out which party may just have had the most to do with bringing the Wonderful Government of Colour to power!

    Perhaps the same one that has had the most to do with demoralizing the poor blacks in our country! :barf:
     
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