Zumbo lays into Congress/Senator Levin/HR 1022...Welcome Back Jim!

[ShelleyB.]

VARifleman:

You're right. I understand what you're saying.

I still do not believe Zumbo has been as publicly vocal as he should be - his name and face should be plastered everywhere so there is no doubt where he stands. He certainly has the time now to confront those who threaten the 2nd.

He doesn't need Outdoor Life to blog.

 

[bumm]

Those demanding that Zumbo make as much noise in public as he did during the recent uproar over his downfall have to understand that he can't just go the the MSM and say "I'm a professional writer, and I want to make a statement to the public about the 2nd amendment." They'd just yawn and say, "You're yesterday's news." He can only jump in when the opportunity arises, and Levin gave him that opportunity. Good for him he took it. Is he doing it to save our gun rights? Is he doing it to salvage his career? I don't know, but he's working on our side now.
Marty

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Is he doing it to save our gun rights? Is he doing it to salvage his career? I don't know, but he's working on our side now.

That is not how I see it, and it is not how the anti-gunners will use what has happened.

They will quote his anti-black rifle comments. Then they will quote some of his seemingly pro-gun comments he made in his letter to Congress. Then they will point out that many gun owners support him.

They will paint him as a supporter of the 2nd Amendment who has the good sense to hate black rifles, and who is supported by common sense gun owners. There are some problems that really can't be fixed, and only get worse when somebody tries to fix them, and Zumbo is one of them.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Too many times we abandon our wounded.

Our wounded are those who sustained their wounds fighting on our side. Those who were wounded fighting on the enemy's side -- even if only for a short time -- do not count as "our wounded."

 

[SteveS]

The Brady's have already moved on to other things. They are crying about the DC gun law getting nullified. While I don't like what Jim said, I get the impression that we spend more time talking about him that the anti's do. They have always had examples of people that supported "reasonable" gun laws. As for Levin, he makes anti-gun speeches all of the time and votes yes on every single piece of anti-gun lesislation that comes up for a vote.

In terms of damage, I'd like to see some proof that there has been substantial damage beyond the usual rantings of anti-gun personalities. In no way am I trying to making light of what Zumbo did, but I just wonder if we are making his words bigger than they were.

 

[ShelleyB.]

bumm:

"Those demanding that Zumbo make as much noise in public as he did during the recent uproar over his downfall have to understand that he can't just go the the MSM and say "I'm a professional writer, and I want to make a statement to the public about the 2nd amendment." "

I think you are referring to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think Guns & Weapons, and other gun rags might be interested in a piece by Zumbo explaining why he was wrong and shedding a positive light on all semi-automatic rifles, no matter their color.

He could easily start another blog. No permission needed from anyone for that to happen.

And, as stated by someone above, that letter should have been immediate. AFAIAK he is still a liability.

 

[waynedm]

It's good he's stepping up. I hope stands by this "I will bring my effort to Capitol Hill if necessary, even if I have to knock on every door and camp in every office of the United States Senate."

If anything, his original blog remarks were a sort of rude awakening for us. It's our December 7th in a way. It divided us shortly, but did nothing but bring us all together and awaken a sleeping giant and fill us with a terrible resolve.

 

[bumm]

>I think you are referring to me.

>Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think Guns & Weapons,
> and other gun rags might be interested in a piece
> by Zumbo explaining why he was wrong and shedding
> a positive light on all semi-automatic rifles, no
> matter their color.

I'm not arguing with you ShelleyB, and I can see your point. Many others share your view. However, most places Zumbo could get published, the anti's aren't going to read. Anyone from the Brady Bunch who reads Guns & Weapons, or any other gun magazine or blog, or comes to this group, is only looking for stuff they can use against us, or rabid jerks they can quote to make us all look like dumb troglodites. They aren't going to be swayed by reason. The fence sitters are the people we have to reach, and little events like Zumbo's letter to congress MIGHT reach a few. He's doing as good as he can, whether his motivations are selfish or "pure."
We can trash this guy for the rest of our lives, but it isn't going to help our cause.
Marty

 

[ClonaKilty]

This is exactly what I hoped he'd do after his grave misstatement.

I welcome him back.

<--- EBR nut

 

[jpk1md]

IMHO Zumbo did little long term damage with his original Anti-AR statement.

The overwhelming response/polarization of the Pro Rights community as a result of his ignorant statement is in my opinion evidence of a greater good that came of an unfortunate flapping of his mouth.

Now that he has come to his senses and is beginning to make up for his rash comments much more good will come of it than bad. Time will tell and I hope that more folks can learn to not hold a grudge against him if he continues to work hard for Pro 2A rights....regardless of the cosmetic features of the firearm in question.

 

[MDHunter]

This is Pretty Funny

Geez, it's kinda funny to read some of this...

I was one of the peopla who said he deserves what he gets, for what he said. Now that he's trying to be active on the right side of 2A, what more can you ask?

So the antis have another quote, from a sportsman, that they'll use?? OK - you have a LETTER TO CONGRESS, from that same sportsman, that you can refute them with.

And the good he did, by getting a lot of the LAZY ONES off their asses and more involved, is a big plus in my opinion. A lot of us beg and plead more people to write letters, call Congresscritters, etc - we couldn't get many people to budge. Zumbo's rant got some of the couch potatos interested and engaged, FINALLY.

Let's turn our energy to positive use, whaddya say???

Michael

 

[ArmedBear]

Those demanding that Zumbo make as much noise in public as he did during the recent uproar over his downfall have to understand that he can't just go the the MSM and say "I'm a professional writer, and I want to make a statement to the public about the 2nd amendment." They'd just yawn and say, "You're yesterday's news."

That's right.

Sometimes, it's too late to take back the damage you've done. Life's not elementary school. Sometimes an apology to the class and an essay don't make up for what you've done.

Forgive, sure.
Forget? Not so quick.
Welcome back? Wait and see.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Has anyone yet suggested the idea that Jim Zumbo should travel to every city in the country, strip naked, and flagellate himself through the streets while chanting "I did wrong. I do not deserve to live. Spit on me." All at his own expense of course.

Until he does, maybe we ought to send Levin a flood of e-mails saying that we don't want him to pay attention to what Zumbo said. We're fastidious about the people we allow to help us and we stand by our principles. Don't let Zumbo try to make amends. Make him suffer eternally.

I will never forgive the kid who knocked my juice to the floor just before nap time in kindergarten.

 

[ArmedBear]

We're fastidious about the people we allow to help us and we stand by our principles. Don't let Zumbo try to make amends. Make him suffer eternally.

That's a false dichotomy, Hairless.

Letting someone try to start mitigating damage he did is fine. It's the right thing to do. Making him suffer eternally is not the right thing to do.

HOWEVER... "Welcome Back Jim!", i.e. giving your total trust to someone who, mere weeks ago, violated that trust in a significant way that caused permanent damage, just because he says he's seen the light, is incredibly naive. That's what battered spouses do, not what healthy adults do.

"Trust, but verify," maybe, but that's best done by keeping a healthy distance, not an unconditional "welcome back!" Give him all the chances in the world to make amends. But understand that it will take a long while to regain trust so blatantly violated.

 

[Robert Hairless]

ArmedBear, I agree with you that "Welcome Back Jim!" is inappropriate. My reason for objecting to it is mostly that it's arrogant.

My suggestion that Jim Zumbo flagellate himself publicly throughout the country could be a way for him to expedite the moderate elevation you good folks might eventually grant him if you're all so inclined. Not that there's any requirement that you forgive him. Wrath is eternal among the gods.

 

[Robert Hairless]

ArmedBear, I agree with you that "Welcome Back Jim!" is inappropriate. My reason for objecting to it is mostly that it's arrogant.

My suggestion that Jim Zumbo flagellate himself publicly throughout the country could be a way for him to expedite the moderate elevation you good folks might eventually grant him if you're all so inclined. Not that there's any requirement that you forgive him.

Wrath is eternal among the gods. It's good to be amongst you from time to time.