Ruger 10mm revolver
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walnut1704
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I'd rather have a .41....
walnut1704
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It's cool of you already have a 10mm, and are willing to deal with the idiosyncrasies of using auto-loader rounds in a revolver.
If you don't reload, the 10mm might be a better choice as .41 factory ammo is limited in many ways. The .41 is for reloaders. You can easily load a .41 down to the 10mm ballistics.
If you don't reload, the 10mm might be a better choice as .41 factory ammo is limited in many ways. The .41 is for reloaders. You can easily load a .41 down to the 10mm ballistics.
Zaydok Allen
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I'd rather have a GP100 in 41 mag.
The Evangelist Cowboy
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I'd rather have a .41 mag, I dont see the reason for the 10mm Auto in a revolver that takes much better rounds for hunting, from .44 mag - .480 Ruger (maybe further with conversions), If I did have one Id want the cylinder reamed for 10mm Magnum, Heck personally I dont even see the appeal of 10mm over the ol' .357 Magnum.
mcb
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GP100 in 10mm Mag. Similar performance more robust moonclips.
I always though my 610 was sort of over built for 10mm Auto, overbuilt for 10mm Mag too very likely. The Redhawk seems to be even more over built for 10mm Auto, given the other cartridges that frame has supported. That is a lot of dead weight that is not needed or wanted in most application.
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I have no interest in auto loader cartridges in a revolver or using moon clips.
At least you can find 41 mag and 10mm auto on the shelves if need be. 10mm mag would pretty much be reserved for reloaders only.
I do reload, but don't feel the 10mm magnum offers anything I couldn't get out of a 41 mag, and the 41 belongs in a revolver. If I owned a 10mm magnum already, I might agree with you, but I don't.
So I say again, I'd rather have a GP100 chambered in 41 mag.
mcb
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Sorry, I don't get the semi-auto rounds in a revolver craze. Guess I missed the boat.
Semi-auto rounds in revolvers are great because MOONCLIPS RULE! and the moonclips for rimless cartridges are much more robust and far less finicky about brass-moonclip combinations.
The extractor groove, that the moonclip snaps into, in a rimless cartridge is part of the SAAMI spec. This make nearly all extractor grooves nearly identical despite who makes the brass. The moonclip grove on a rimmed cartridge does not have a SAAMI spec, SAAMI does not even require the groove to be there. So your stuck with each manufacture making up their own dimensions and tolerances and thus you end up with combinations of brass and moonclip that work great, some the work only OK, and others that don't work at all. TK Custom offer one size 45 ACP moonclip. They offer 3-5 sizes for 38/357 depending on what revolver they are for. The moonclip for for rimless revolver are also thicker and thus more robust to rough handling. A typical rimless cartridge moonclip is .035 inch thick or thicker. Rimmed moonclips vary from .020-.025 inch thick.
TL,DR: Rimless cartridge and moonclips just work better together!
Sorry , guess I'm just old fashioned. Don't like the idea of having to use aids (moon clips) to make a round work in a gun. Who uses moon clips on a rimmed cartridge? Why? Never used moon clips on a revolver. Don't figure I ever will.
mcb
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Sorry , guess I'm just old fashioned. Don't like the idea of having to use aids (moon clips) to make a round work in a gun. Who uses moon clips on a rimmed cartridge? Why? Never used moon clips on a revolver. Don't figure I ever will.
I guess I got into revolvers first as part of USPSA competition. My first double action revolver was a S&W 610. If you're going to embarrass the filthy Bottom-Feeders at a USPSA match with the Noble Round Gun moonclips are the best way to do it.
I do run rimmed cartridges on moonclips too. My current USPSA revolver is a 627 and I am running 38 Short Colt on moonclips in it. My carry gun is a 442 Moonclip and I carry it with 38 Special on moonclips. MOONCLIPS RULE!
OP if you want a 10mm Revolver the 10mm Redhawk is your current best options. GP100 conversions and used S&W 610's are expensive secondary options. You can fairly easily and safely convert to 10mm Magnum later if you feel the need for more power and you can still shoot 10mm Auto and 40S&W in it even if you convert to 10mm Mag. Moonclip feed revolvers are something special, go for it!
Help me here. Whats the advantage of using moon clips on rimmed revolver case in the revolver they are intended for? I understand using moon clips on semi-auto cases in a revolver, but don't under stand the advantage of them on rimmed revolver case in a revolver. For example 38 special cartridge in a 38 special revolver.
CraigC
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I think this particular gun is great for one who wants to hunt deer/hogs with a handgun but does not want to deal with .44Mag recoil. I'd also ream it to 10mmMag but I like weird stuff.
Fast reloads in competition.
Let me know when they introduce a 10mm in the Redhawk or GP100. The Super Redhawk makes sense when chambered in rounds such as 454 Casull (60,000 CUP) and .480 Ruger (48,000 PSI). For the life of me, I can't figure out why they chose the the Super Redhawk for the 10mm (37,000 PSI).
CraigC
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Redhawk and Super Redhawk are the exact same size and weight.
mcb
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Speed of reloading. Moonclips are IMO (and many others) the fastest, most reliable way to reload a revolver. The moonclip ensures that no cartridge get under the star and that all the cartridge fall away from the cylinder. The moonclip allows for you to load all the charge holes simultaneously in a manner that is more reliable and less fumble prone than speed-loaders. It also leaves your brass in little piles of 5,6,7,or 8 for easy retrieval.
cal44mag
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If I get a 10mm/40S&W revolver, I'd get a Lipsey's Blackhawk single action.
No moon clips, but has two cylinders -- one for 10mm and one for 40.
http://lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=RUKBN-104X
No moon clips, but has two cylinders -- one for 10mm and one for 40.
http://lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=RUKBN-104X
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Ok . It's hard to believe that moon clips are faster than say a Safariland Comp III speedloader for a revolver shooting made for revolver ammo. But I'm not competing these days. So I'll take your word for it. Just never seen them used with rimmed cases.
mcb
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Now this makes no sense to me. If I was going to go single action then there is absolutely no advantage to running rimless unless you are heavily invested in that particular cartridge. Rimless in a single action revolver has no functional advantage over a rimmed cartridge.
USPSA sort of proved this. There are almost no one running speedloaders in USPSA and its about 50/50 in IDPA.
If you don't mind this is a video from a few years ago of yours truly shooting a USPSA match. I shot the match twice that day, once with my Model 10 fed by Safariland Comp III's and 38 Special the second time with my S&W 627 feed by 38 Short Colt on moonclips. Both guns running roughly the same 135 power factor. There are certainly some fast reloads with the speedloaders but if you notice the number of fumbles with speedloaders vs the moonclips. The moonclips are just smoother and less fumble prone.
CraigC
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Nonsense. I have a Ruger Old Model .357 that is destined to become a 4" .45ACP. Why? Because it duplicates standard pressure .45Colt without all the unnecessary powder capacity and the shorter case ensures quicker, more positive ejection. That and the ability to use cheap factory ammo. There's a lot to like about a .40S&W/10mm convertible as well but I want it on the mid-frame, not the large frame Ruger produced.
cal44mag
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There is no functional advantage, but there is no disadvantage either.
No moon clips, and you have to push the empties out with the extractor rod in either case.
There is a cost advantage.
40 S&W is highly available as compared to 41 Magnum. And less expensive.
10mm is more available and less costly as well.
Lots more different bullet types available for hunting and self defense.
CraigC
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