New NAA Product Release

Mr. Mosin said:

Quite honestly, their most useful design is the Guardian line…. Upscale that to the size of a Kahr K9, in .380 Auto… you’d have a winner for a good belt gun.

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I agree about the usefulness, however, I haven’t seen a new Guardian on the shelves in years. Maybe it’s not a good seller, or maybe they quit supporting it?

How about a Braverman Stinger Pen pistol spit out with CNC for around $600 . They are non NFA as they fold into a pistol configuration.The design just need a few tweaks. .22 mag would be good .

halfmoonclip said:

...Sadly, interesting as their little guns might be, they usually aren't especially useful.
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I beg to differ. I have a Pug in .22 Mag and for remaining armed while running it's the best thing going. Light, doesn't bounce in a belly band - which also holds your keys/phone - and doesn't alter your stride. In the rare event I can't outrun 'em, a .22 Mag at arms length is better than a soggy stick.

I had a .32 Guardian and the only NAA that continues to pull at my wallet is the .22 Mag Pug. I'm not sure if I'll ever do anything about it, though.

Mr. Mosin said:

Quite honestly, their most useful design is the Guardian line…. Upscale that to the size of a Kahr K9, in .380 Auto… you’d have a winner for a good belt gun.

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I have a .32 Guardian. It’s a neat little gun. But, blowback. A blowback .380, the same size as a 9mm breech locked 9mm Kahr K9…seems a non starter to me.

(And, I’m carrying Kahr K9 as I type.).

Boom Vang said:

I beg to differ. I have a Pug in .22 Mag and for remaining armed while running it's the best thing going.

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Okay, I did say "usually".
BTW, a local gunshop owner used one as his carry piece, for its light weight. He also managed to shoot himself in the leg with it...best guess, the firing pin wasn't properly lodged in the notch between the chambers.
Moon

Slightly larger frame.
32 H&R mag, .32 S&W long, .32 acp....single action, which is their forte. NAA supplies plinkers and backups. Let them stick to what they know. They can provide a backup hide away reminiscent of the old .32 single action Remington rimfire. Small, compact yet handy backup. Let's let NAA do...... the voo-doo that they do best.

KevininPa said:

Slightly larger frame.
32 H&R mag, .32 S&W long, .32 acp....single action, which is their forte. NAA supplies plinkers and backups. Let them stick to what they know. They can provide a backup hide away reminiscent of the old .32 single action Remington rimfire. Small, compact yet handy backup. Let's let NAA do...... the voo-doo that they do best.

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Yep. Here's a Pocket Remington cap and ball revolver shown between an NAA Earl and a Ruger Bearcat in the scale photo below.

.32 S&W conversion cylinder for the Pocket Remington here.




Speaking of Bearcats, they've been modded for .32 before. https://www.gunblast.com/Harton-327Bearcat.htm

halfmoonclip said:

Okay, I did say "usually".
BTW, a local gunshop owner used one as his carry piece, for its light weight. He also managed to shoot himself in the leg with it...best guess, the firing pin wasn't properly lodged in the notch between the chambers.
Moon

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I am continually surprised that more ppl have not shot themselves with a naa. They are not safe for ordinary carry. We currently have 6 or 7 naa's, and they all have the same fault. Resting in the 'safety' notch it requires but a mere brush or touch to release the cylinder to spin in either direction and hammer down on live rim. I have measured the distance to release and it is .018". Eighteen thousandths. Ours are several years old so perhaps they have addressed this flaw. We love the naa's but know it is best to leave hammer down on empty chamber. Before you dismiss this with a wave of the hand, which almost always happens, try it on your own naa. You may be in for a surprise.

RJTravel said:

I am continually surprised that more ppl have not shot themselves with a naa. They are not safe for ordinary carry. We currently have 6 or 7 naa's, and they all have the same fault. Resting in the 'safety' notch it requires but a mere brush or touch to release the cylinder to spin in either direction and hammer down on live rim. I have measured the distance to release and it is .018". Eighteen thousandths. Ours are several years old so perhaps they have addressed this flaw. We love the naa's but know it is best to leave hammer down on empty chamber. Before you dismiss this with a wave of the hand, which almost always happens, try it on your own naa. You may be in for a surprise.

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Many years ago in my early 20’s I frequently worked under houses installing HVAC systems. I also carried a NAA Mini in my front right pocket. I once went home after crawling around under a house all day and found my NAA fully cocked when I emptied my pockets.

That’s when I really started to look into other options, I will admit I still occasionally carry the mini, never went under a house with after that though.

I. can’t wait to see what new thing will come out with, I do like the mini revolvers.

RJTravel said:

I am continually surprised that more ppl have not shot themselves with a naa. They are not safe for ordinary carry. We currently have 6 or 7 naa's, and they all have the same fault. Resting in the 'safety' notch it requires but a mere brush or touch to release the cylinder to spin in either direction and hammer down on live rim. I have measured the distance to release and it is .018". Eighteen thousandths. Ours are several years old so perhaps they have addressed this flaw. We love the naa's but know it is best to leave hammer down on empty chamber. Before you dismiss this with a wave of the hand, which almost always happens, try it on your own naa. You may be in for a surprise.

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Are you saying the hammer in the safety notch won't properly lock the cylinder in carry conditions?

Guardian seems a decent product in the semiauto world. The mini revolver is popular enough of a single action revolver. I’m looking at them carving out a new niche, either double action revolver or possibly a long gun. I would lean heavily towards the DA realm, and hope for an i-frame or similar pistol, but I would not at all be suprised at a top break.

But in reality it’s probably a Glock or AR copy. Those are a dime a dozen.

Anyone figure out what this is yet? Isn’t SHOT going on right now?

Mr. Mosin said:

Jan. 23-26

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Oops, off a week.

sgt127 said:

I have a .32 Guardian. It’s a neat little gun. But, blowback. A blowback .380, the same size as a 9mm breech locked 9mm Kahr K9…seems a non starter to me.

(And, I’m carrying Kahr K9 as I type.).

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How's the recoil on that .32? I've been interested in one after people here gave me conflicting info on what ammo Seecamps can and cannot shoot and figured it I wanted a small .32 the NAA might be the way to go until Kel Tec gets off its butt and does a Gen 2 P32.

WestKentucky said:

Guardian seems a decent product in the semiauto world. The mini revolver is popular enough of a single action revolver. I’m looking at them carving out a new niche, either double action revolver or possibly a long gun. I would lean heavily towards the DA realm, and hope for an i-frame or similar pistol, but I would not at all be suprised at a top break.

But in reality it’s probably a Glock or AR copy. Those are a dime a dozen.

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NAA is a small company, for them to try and grab market share of a product that already is saturated (9mm subcompacts) would be foolish.

NAA can make a good chunk of change by not following the market and instead leading with a firearm model not currently manufactured, which would be an I frame/H&R Yg America type revolver and by chambering it for .22 would appeal to a wide, wide potential customer base.

Because if you can bring to market a .22 the size of a Rossi Princess and use quality materials, you'll make a fortune.

Actually, I have a very very sensible idea for them to chase… replace the NEF single shot with something simple yet elegantly effective.

TTv2 said:

How's the recoil on that .32? I've been interested in one after people here gave me conflicting info on what ammo Seecamps can and cannot shoot and figured it I wanted a small .32 the NAA might be the way to go until Kel Tec gets off its butt and does a Gen 2 P32.

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I have a Seecamp also. They have a tendency to whack the bottom of my trigger finger with the trigger guard.

Gets pretty tiresome after 20-30 rounds.

I had Keltec .32. Gave it to a buddy. That was stupid. The locked breech was infinitely more shootable.

The Guardian weighs twice what the Kel-Tec 32 weighs. Around 15oz empty. My S&W 431PD weighs 15oz loaded. And the Guardian cost at least a hundred bucks more than the Kel-tec. Thanks. I'll keep my Kel-Tec. I have no idea what NAA might bring out but I read long ago they only build guns designed for them by other people. That they don't have a design team. Maybe thats changed but if not then at best it will just be a different version of something they already build.

And like a lot of you I would go for a small 32 of some sort. No matter if its a 32acp or 32 long. I reload for both so either one would be fine with me.

TTv2 said:

I've been interested in one after people here gave me conflicting info on what ammo Seecamps can and cannot shoot

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The answer to that question used to be "Silver Tips". The magazine spacer was supposed to prevent using FMJ ammo, and ensured that the Silver Tips couldn't be loaded in a way to cause rim lock.
Really small blowback .32s can be as rappy as somewhat larger .380.
Moon

ThomasT said:

The Guardian weighs twice what the Kel-Tec 32 weighs. Around 15oz empty. My S&W 431PD weighs 15oz loaded. And the Guardian cost at least a hundred bucks more than the Kel-tec. Thanks. I'll keep my Kel-Tec. I have no idea what NAA might bring out but I read long ago they only build guns designed for them by other people. That they don't have a design team. Maybe thats changed but if not then at best it will just be a different version of something they already build.


And like a lot of you I would go for a small 32 of some sort. No matter if 5 a 32acp or 32 long. I reload for both so either one would be fine with me.

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It would make sense for NAA not to have design engineers full time because they rarely have anything new they plan to produce, the last one was the Ranger and that took years because they were trying to keep the cost under $500.

Then there's the issue of having the capacity to work on a new line. Unless they scale back on the production of original mini revolvers and use those mills to do a truly new product line, then they don't have the machines to be able to do it.

My guess is if it's a new design NAA has ordered or already bought two new machines for production.

Which would be a half million dollar investment.

So, whatever it is, it has to sell decently well and not have much competition because I don't see why people would want another J frame revolver or Kahr MK9 clone.

As for the Guardian and P32, yeah, the Kel Tec weighs less and has a recoil reducing action, but it has the footprint of .380 and I assume isn't smaller.

chicharrones said:

Are you saying the hammer in the safety notch won't properly lock the cylinder in carry conditions?

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Not necessarily, but you do have to be almighty sure that the firing pin is solidly in the cylinder notch. That can be a little fiddly if you aren't careful doing it. And, as PPs have noted, it doesn't take a lot to move/dislodge the hammer.
Moon

halfmoonclip said:

The answer to that question used to be "Silver Tips". The magazine spacer was supposed to prevent using FMJ ammo, and ensured that the Silver Tips couldn't be loaded in a way to cause rim lock.
Really small blowback .32s can be as rappy as somewhat larger .380.
Moon

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Well, I want to shoot round nose bullets and not be forced to get a home equity loan to afford Winchester .32 FMJ with the flat nose.

NAA doesn't seem to have this issue with the Guardian.