10+ round tube mag centerfire rifle

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Besides the Swiss Vetterli, is there any other non 22 rifle that has a 10+ round tube mag capacity? I know the reasoning why (pointed bullets) there usually isn’t, just wondering if there is.
 
A number of the early Winchester, Marlin, and other lever-action rifles held 10 to 15 rounds for full length magazine. The Henry rifle was used by the Union Army during the Civil War, and it's firepower inspired the Southrons to refer to it as "that damn Yankee rifle that could be loaded on Sunday and fired all week." :evil: The rounds would be considered pistol rounds today (the .44-40 is very similar in size to .44 magnum ~~~ but Waaaay different in power!!!!!) and it took awhile to get a lever gun designed to use a true rifle caliber round suitable for buffalo and other large game.
 
The Remington Model 14 should get honorable mention; it lacks the stated capacity, but otherwise is a really neat pump action centerfire rifle with a tubular magazine.
 
Tommygunn said:
A number of the early Winchester, Marlin, and other lever-action rifles held 10 to 15 rounds for full length magazine. The Henry rifle was used by the Union Army during the Civil War, and it's firepower inspired the Southrons to refer to it as "that damn Yankee rifle that could be loaded on Sunday and fired all week." :evil: The rounds would be considered pistol rounds today (the .44-40 is very similar in size to .44 magnum ~~~ but Waaaay different in power!!!!!) and it took awhile to get a lever gun designed to use a true rifle caliber round suitable for buffalo and other large game.
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That was the Spencer Rifle. It was used in much greater numbers than the Henry, though I can't say why.
 
The Lebel almost sort of did (explained above), but given that the thirty-thirty is about the shortest rifle cartridge that would have been around contemporaneously with the age of the tubular magazine, and I don't know if a rifle that fit 10, I don't think any of the lever guns could do 10 rifle cartridge in a mag.
 
DocRock said:
That was the Spencer Rifle. It was used in much greater numbers than the Henry, though I can't say why.
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Pretty sure Tommygunn is correct on it being the 1860 Henry that was referred to as loading Sunday and firing all week. Do you have any links? Cause man, I dont think I've ever heard that said referring to the Spencer.

From Wikipedia (for whatever that's worth): Confederate Colonel John Mosby, who became infamous for his sudden raids against advanced Union positions, when first encountering the Henry in battle called it "that damned Yankee rifle that can be loaded on Sunday and fired all week." Since then that phrase became associated with the Henry rifle.

Maybe I'm misreading your post though.
 
Mn Fats said:
Pretty sure Tommygunn is correct on it being the 1860 Henry that was referred to as loading Sunday and firing all week. Do you have any links? Cause man, I dont think I've ever heard that said referring to the Spencer.

From Wikipedia (for whatever that's worth): Confederate Colonel John Mosby, who became infamous for his sudden raids against advanced Union positions, when first encountering the Henry in battle called it "that damned Yankee rifle that can be loaded on Sunday and fired all week." Since then that phrase became associated with the Henry rifle.

Maybe I'm misreading your post though.
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It was the Spencer rifle which was widely used by the Union Army (48,000 made), unlike the Henry of which only 14,000 in total were ever made and which was only used by a small number of Union units. As DJ notes above, the Henry only began production in 1862 and was never officially adopted by the Union Army, unlike the Spencer. It saw very limited use in Union service, whereas, for example Union General Wilson maneuvered 9,000 men armed with Spencers at Gettysburg.

While the “load on Sunday and shoot all week” line has been ascribed to the Henry (probably by the unrelated modern Henry Arms), the sheer difference in numbers used and actual engagements with Confederates, the remark (if genuine) was about the Spencer.

http://www.aotc.net/Spencer.htm

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Henry_rifle
 
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DocRock said:
It was the Spencer rifle which was widely used by the Union Army (48,000 made), unlike the Henry of which only 14,000 in total were ever made and which was only used by a small number of Union units. As DJ notes above, the Henry only began production in 1862 and was never officially adopted by the Union Army, unlike the Spencer. It saw very limited use in Union service, whereas, for example Union General Wilson maneuvered 9,000 men armed with Spencers.

While the “load on Sunday and shoot all week” line has been ascribed to the Henry (probably by the unrelated modern Henry Arms), the sheer difference in numbers used and actual engagements with Confederates, the remark (if genuine) was about the Spencer.
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If the term was coined by one man, couldn't that man have witnessed a Henry? Then it was blanketed across to Spencers? I'm not trying to argue as I do see your logic.
 
Mn Fats said:
If the term was coined by one man, couldn't that man have witnessed a Henry? Then it was blanketed across to Spencers? I'm not trying to argue as I do see your logic.
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The unverified quote is attributed to several individuals as well as “a Confederate soldier”, so it’s veracity is questionable. The Henry was never officially adopted, the Spencer was. The Spencer saw repeated engagements in large numbers. The Henry did not. I can’t tell you what to believe.
 
DocRock said:
The unverified quote is attributed to several individuals as well as “a Confederate soldier”, so it’s veracity is questionable. The Henry was never officially adopted, the Spencer was. The Spencer saw repeated engagements in large numbers. The Henry did not. I can’t tell you what to believe.
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Makes sense. Sorry I derailed the thread OP. It's just strange to hear something isn't what it is after all these years.
 
:oops: Oh well, I went from being pretty certain it was the Henry that was the load sunday/shoot all week gun....to thinking , no, it WAS the Spencer....to changing my mind again. *Sigh.* The rifle that was not the "shoot all week" gun was known as "the horizontal shot tower." :cool:

Uh, you guys can chooses which is wich.:evil:


I'll chime in on this; Docrock is correct about one thing, the Spencer was officially adopted by the Union Army. Gen. George Armstrong Custer's "Red Tie Boys" were equipped with Spencer rifles, then with the carbine. I've seen a number of photos of Union soldiers with Henry rifles, but the Spencer was official even after the war up until about the early 1870s when the govt. took 'em back and gave the Cavalry Trapdoor carbines.
 
Tommygunn said:
:oops: Oh well, I went from being pretty certain it was the Henry that was the load sunday/shoot all week gun....to thinking , no, it WAS the Spencer....to changing my mind again. *Sigh.* The rifle that was not the "shoot all week" gun was known as "the horizontal shot tower." :cool:

Uh, you guys can chooses which is wich.:evil:


I'll chime in on this; Docrock is correct about one thing, the Spencer was officially adopted by the Union Army. Gen. George Armstrong Custer's "Red Tie Boys" were equipped with Spencer rifles, then with the carbine. I've seen a number of photos of Union soldiers with Henry rifles, but the Spencer was official even after the war up until about the early 1870s when the govt. took 'em back and gave the Cavalry Trapdoor carbines.
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Also, think about the magazine capacity of a Spencer in relation to the alleged Confederate remark: 7. As in " load on Sunday and shoot all week. "
 
DocRock said:
Also, think about the magazine capacity of a Spencer in relation to the alleged Confederate remark: 7. As in " load on Sunday and shoot all week. "
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Is this just common knowledge in the Civil War community? Maybe the ones who study that war mirror your remarks. Cause like I say, it's a strange thing for me to hear this. Not trying to press this :p but it all seems to come down to speculation.
 
Mn Fats said:
Is this just common knowledge in the Civil War community? I assume the ones who study that war mirror your remarks. Cause like I say, it's a strange thing for me to hear this. Not trying to press this :p but it seems to come down to speculation.
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The capacity of the Spencer, a number coinciding with the number of days in a week, as opposed to the Henry, and its far wider and more substantial use are matters of fact, not conjecture...
 
Howdy

Confederate Colonel John Mosby, who became infamous for his sudden raids against advanced Union positions, when first encountering the Henry in battle called it "that damned Yankee rifle that can be loaded on Sunday and fired all week."

I have two different books about the original Henry rifle, they say it held 15 rounds in the magazine.

My Uberti 1860 Henry only holds 13 because it is chambered for the 44-40 cartridge, which is a bit longer than the original 44 Henry Rimfire cartridge.

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Left to right in this photo are a 44 Henry Rimfire, 44-40, 38-40, and 32-20.

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This 38-40 Winchester Model 1873 holds 13 rounds in the magazine.

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This 44-40 Winchester Model 1892 holds 13 rounds in the magazine.

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This 44-40 Marlin Model 1894 holds 13 rounds in the magazine.

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Do we want to consider the Evans? 28 rounds in a spiral butt tube.

Trivia: An early, if not the very first deployment of the Spencer, was by Wilder's Lightning Brigade. Classified as mounted infantry, they got rifles, not carbines.
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
Howdy

Confederate Colonel John Mosby, who became infamous for his sudden raids against advanced Union positions, when first encountering the Henry in battle called it "that damned Yankee rifle that can be loaded on Sunday and fired all week."

I have two different books about the original Henry rifle, they say it held 15 rounds in the magazine.


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You appear to have missed the discussion as to why the likely apocryphal quote referred not to the Henry, but to the Spencer.
 
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