Nightcrawler
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Okay, here's the sitch. I've got at home a DSA STG-58A FAL, with the full 21" barrel and big chunk o' steel Stoll-style muzzle brake.
It's 43" long and weighs in at around ten pounds, loaded (with the bipod removed).
I've now been lugging an M16 around every day for 10 months. Lighter, and not awkard feeling when simply carrying, but 40.5" OAL is a bit much when you have to do other things (like search vehicles, pull heavy steel arm-bars back and forth, stepping in and out of tiny guard booths, etc.).
So that got me to thinking, perhaps I'm being stubborn on my rifle desires. The range I belonged to only goes out to 200 yards, and for my purposes I think a 16" carbine would be handier.
It'd have an OAL of, what, 38"? That's about the same as a typical shotgun with an 18" barrel, and that's good enough for all of your "entry", "CQB", or "urban" (or whatever the buzzword of the week is) work.
It's also handier for field carry, but when you're outside the overall length of the weapon generally becomes less of an issue (weight is still there, though).
So who here has a 16" .308 carbine of any make? What kind do you have, how does it handle, and how does it shoot?
How bad is the muzzle blast? Mine WON'T have a muzzle brake. If anything, I'll get the L1A1 style flash hider...adds an inch or so of length, but you get the bayonet lug, and it weighs hardly anything.
More importantly, how badly are your ballistics hurting? What's the muzzle velocity difference, in standard NATO 147 grain ball, between 21", 18", and 16"? Does it matter? Would a badguy even notice the difference (okay, dumb question). Is your effective range significantly reduced? (It's all in the sub-600 meter realm anyway, practically speaking.)
Here's my dreamy-carbine, in the mental works:
-DSA Type I receiver, no carry handle cut
-DSA lightweight alloy lower, NON-extended selector
-DSA para-style, windage-knob rear sight
-Penguin non-bipod-cut handguards
-Penguin humpback buttstock
-Ergo G3-style grip
-DSA/Badger 16.25" stainless steel barrel, re-threaded, finished black
-L1A1 flash hider
-DSA Scope Mount
-Compact Optic (yet to be determined, but quick-release)
-Specter SOP Sling
It's 43" long and weighs in at around ten pounds, loaded (with the bipod removed).
I've now been lugging an M16 around every day for 10 months. Lighter, and not awkard feeling when simply carrying, but 40.5" OAL is a bit much when you have to do other things (like search vehicles, pull heavy steel arm-bars back and forth, stepping in and out of tiny guard booths, etc.).
So that got me to thinking, perhaps I'm being stubborn on my rifle desires. The range I belonged to only goes out to 200 yards, and for my purposes I think a 16" carbine would be handier.
It'd have an OAL of, what, 38"? That's about the same as a typical shotgun with an 18" barrel, and that's good enough for all of your "entry", "CQB", or "urban" (or whatever the buzzword of the week is) work.
It's also handier for field carry, but when you're outside the overall length of the weapon generally becomes less of an issue (weight is still there, though).
So who here has a 16" .308 carbine of any make? What kind do you have, how does it handle, and how does it shoot?
How bad is the muzzle blast? Mine WON'T have a muzzle brake. If anything, I'll get the L1A1 style flash hider...adds an inch or so of length, but you get the bayonet lug, and it weighs hardly anything.
More importantly, how badly are your ballistics hurting? What's the muzzle velocity difference, in standard NATO 147 grain ball, between 21", 18", and 16"? Does it matter? Would a badguy even notice the difference (okay, dumb question). Is your effective range significantly reduced? (It's all in the sub-600 meter realm anyway, practically speaking.)
Here's my dreamy-carbine, in the mental works:
-DSA Type I receiver, no carry handle cut
-DSA lightweight alloy lower, NON-extended selector
-DSA para-style, windage-knob rear sight
-Penguin non-bipod-cut handguards
-Penguin humpback buttstock
-Ergo G3-style grip
-DSA/Badger 16.25" stainless steel barrel, re-threaded, finished black
-L1A1 flash hider
-DSA Scope Mount
-Compact Optic (yet to be determined, but quick-release)
-Specter SOP Sling