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1858 remington or 1860 colt?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by oklahoma caveman, Feb 23, 2010.

  1. oklahoma caveman

    oklahoma caveman Well-Known Member

    ok guys i am ready to buy my first blackpowder revolver and i need some advice. what are the pros and cons of each? which do you prefer? which would be better, safer, for a newb in the blackpowder revolver area?
  2. mykeal

    mykeal Well-Known Member

    Neither. Each has it's own traits, so 'better' is in the eye of the beholder, and safety is in the hand of the same guy.
    Personally, the 1860 Colt, but that's of no value to you.
    Staying away from personal things, like how it fits my hand, etc. I'd say the Remington is easier to change (remove/install) cylinders with, but it tends to bind up with fouling quicker. The Colt is better balanced but shoots high.

    And no matter what anyone tells you, the Remington is NOT 'stronger' than the Colt. Both are capable of safely firing full chamber loads all day long. The apparent 'strength' advantage of the Remington top strap is entirely offset by the much larger arbor in the Colt.

    Really, you need to handle both and decide which fits your hand better. And eventually, buy one of each.
  3. Schofield3

    Schofield3 Well-Known Member

    Can't comment on the Colt - but I've had great luck with my Uberti '58 remmy. (it was my first black powder..)
  4. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

    kwhi43@kc.rr.com Well-Known Member

    If you plan on doing any gunfightin buy the Colt
  5. oklahoma caveman

    oklahoma caveman Well-Known Member

    why does it shoot high?

    this would be my plan but there really are not many places around to try them, and very few people own them.

    If you could only have one of the two which would it be?
  6. I sure like my Pietta Remington 1858 New Model Army .44's a lot. Absolutely no complaints, but I also agree fully with Mr. MyKeal when he state's that the Remington is no stronger than the Colt. Both of them are plenty strong enough to get the job done in a highly satisfactory manner. I chose the Pietta's because of the larger grips, over-all balance of the piece, ease and speed in changing cylinders,etc etc....
  7. oldpuppymax

    oldpuppymax Well-Known Member

    You really can't lose either way. I've always preferred the top-strapless style of the Colt, but my 1858 Uberti New Army conversion (.45LC) is a GREAT pistol. So is my .36 cal 1858 police BP revolver. Either one you select will shoot well and give you long service.
  8. ClemBert

    ClemBert Well-Known Member

    For a newb...I'd recommend an Uberti 1858. The front site can be adjusted with a drift and a mallet....on the Pietta you can't. Also, with the 1858 you don't have to fool around with tapping a wedge in or out to remove the cylinder. In fact, no tools are needed. For your second BP revolver (yes, you WILL get another) get a Colt design. Either an 1851 or an 1861. Then for your third get a Walker. :D

    p.s. stay away from brass frames.
  9. arcticap

    arcticap Well-Known Member

    The Colt hammer serves as the rear sight and out of the box they're often sighted in for about a 75 yard zero which is combat fighting distance for hitting a human torso with it.
    Generally a notch needs to be filed deeper into the hammer or a new higher front sight added to lower the point of aim.
    This is due to the Colt not having a frame with a topstrap to be able to mount an adjustable rear sight on or to have a groove in the topstrap to serve as a rear sight.
    The Pietta 1858 Target Model has an adjustable rear sight as does the Euroarms Rogers & Spencer Target Model.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2010
  10. Calibre44

    Calibre44 Well-Known Member

    It was no contest for me. The 1858 just didn’t fit my hand very well:
    So I went for the 1860 instead::)
  11. NCWanderer

    NCWanderer Well-Known Member

    I can't tell you much about the 1860 Colt. but judging from what I've read on these posts, it's a great gun. I would like to say though that I have an 1858 Pietta Remington New Model Army 44 as my first BP gun and I really like it. I don't think you will go wrong with either one.
    Why don't you just flip a coin........or just get one of each:D
  12. Oyeboten

    Oyeboten Well-Known Member

    I have an 1860 Colt 'Uberti' and it is a very nice Revolver in every way.

    Comfortable, good balance, powerful, probably as reliable as an Anvil.

    The 1858 Remington I can not comment on since I have never owned or fired one, but, I know they are very popular and well liked also.

    Flip a Coin!

    Either way you win!

    If it has not been mentioned yet - if you are figuring to shoot much, and or with full Powder Loads, you should elect a Steel Frame, and not a Brass Frame, for whichever Model you end up choosing.
  13. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Calibre44, what IS that thing? I want one!:)
  14. arcticap

    arcticap Well-Known Member

  15. MCgunner

    MCgunner Well-Known Member

    I like the Remmies, but practical reasons really shouldn't apply to black powder. Which one do you think LOOKS the neatest? That's probably the most important. :D My opinion is of little use in your decision.
  16. craneman

    craneman Well-Known Member

    Well I have aan 1851 Colt and an 1858 remmie. They both function fine. they both shoot pretty darn well for cap n ball pistols.

    I personally like the looks of the 1858 better. That being said, I LOVE the feel of the 1851. I don't know how to describe it other than its like an extension of my own arm. It handles better, it points faster. It just plain feels better in my hand. I shoot with both eyes open and quick target aquisition and sight picture and accurate shot placement are easier for me with the 1851 Colt. It just feels right.

    Thats why you should buy both. Don't feel bad as thats why I have 2. I suspect we're not alone either. Its a sickness I tell you.
  17. SixShootinSam

    SixShootinSam member

    As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I recently purchased the 5 1/2" 1858 remmie from Cabelas since they are on sale. It's a Pietta, and I'm totally in love with this thing!
    The shorter barrel balances it really well, it feels great in my hand and just got my 45LC conversion cylinder for it. Shoots like a champ.

    I also have an 1860 Army from Pietta, and it also feels good in my hand. It's quite different from the 1858 in terms of 'feel' though.

    They're both excellent guns, so in the end it really comes down to aesthetics.
  18. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Well-Known Member

    I would recommend a 1858 NMA Remington as the first bp revolver. You don't have to deal with the wedge. If you find bp to your liking then you can add a open top. One leads to many.
  19. sundance44s

    sundance44s Well-Known Member

    Flip a coin ....or buy both ... one set of possibles and 2 pistols ...never split a pair .
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2010
  20. Rock Island

    Rock Island Well-Known Member

    I like my Remingtons, but I love my '60 Uberti Colt. Fits my hand well, hits whatever I want to hit, I am better with it than my modern shooters, it's best at longer ranges 65-75 yards has it dead on. The Rem is OK, I just never seem to do as well with them, they just never sound just right to my ear when I cock them, but they are easier to drop a cylinder out of for a quick reload, and the design is stronger with the top strap.
    Just get the both of them.

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