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I am working up loads for t/c venture 22-250 and want to try some varget do'es anyone have any loading data for the 65 gr sierra gameking bullet
22-250 65gr GK load needed
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I don't want to rain on your parade, but you'd first better check your twist rate on your barrel.
My Rem. M700 has a 1/14" twist, and though it shoots near 1-hole groups (got 5 of them Wed. PM resighting in a new 6-24x scope) with 50-55gr bullets, with any but the 60gr Hornady and 63gr Sierra Semi-point, any bullet over 60grs keyholes all over the target. It even shoots 5" groups with the Hornady 55gr V-max. 60gr V-max wouldn't hit the target at 100yds. An attempt with the 65gr Sierra's gave 6" groups with 3 of 5 hitting target sideways and other 2 with noticeable yaw.
Sierra labels the box with a recommendation of 1/10" twist minimum... However, my Remington Mod-7 in .223 with 1/12" twist shoots them to ~1.5" 5-shot groups which is about what it shoots anything.... And it has taken nearly a dozen deer with as many shots..... Think .243 with a 100gr bullet......
Needless to say my Bushmaster AR15 Carbine @ 1/9" twist shoots them sub-moa, as many as you want to shoot through the same hole..... typical Sierra accuracy....
If you have an "atypical" .22-250 with a faster twist barrel, you'll be hard pressed to find a better bullet in the weight range for the intended purpose, but a 1/14" TYPICAL .22-250 probably won't give you good results. I was pleasantly suprised by my little M-7 because I didn't know about the 1/10 "disclaimer" that Sierra put on the box when I ordered my first box. Good thing my Remington Mod-7 can't read.........
With Varget I'd start with 29.0gr for about 3,000fps and 34.0gr MAX for about 3,450fps. I personally haven't been thrilled by Varget. I prefer RL15 and H380 for my .22-250. It shoots best with 38.0gr of H380 with a 60gr Hornady giving ~1/2" groups at 3,500fps..... Kills deer about like the .257WbyMag w/100gr bullets.... bullet are usually balled up under the hide on the far side w/65% weight retention.... ie: 35-38.5gr...
Maybe, just maybe your rifle will be the "exception"..... Only one way to find out. But expect the Varget loads with the 65gr GK to perform better closer to max, as that is where they'll be best stabilized... if they will at all....
My Rem. M700 has a 1/14" twist, and though it shoots near 1-hole groups (got 5 of them Wed. PM resighting in a new 6-24x scope) with 50-55gr bullets, with any but the 60gr Hornady and 63gr Sierra Semi-point, any bullet over 60grs keyholes all over the target. It even shoots 5" groups with the Hornady 55gr V-max. 60gr V-max wouldn't hit the target at 100yds. An attempt with the 65gr Sierra's gave 6" groups with 3 of 5 hitting target sideways and other 2 with noticeable yaw.
Sierra labels the box with a recommendation of 1/10" twist minimum... However, my Remington Mod-7 in .223 with 1/12" twist shoots them to ~1.5" 5-shot groups which is about what it shoots anything.... And it has taken nearly a dozen deer with as many shots..... Think .243 with a 100gr bullet......
Needless to say my Bushmaster AR15 Carbine @ 1/9" twist shoots them sub-moa, as many as you want to shoot through the same hole..... typical Sierra accuracy....
If you have an "atypical" .22-250 with a faster twist barrel, you'll be hard pressed to find a better bullet in the weight range for the intended purpose, but a 1/14" TYPICAL .22-250 probably won't give you good results. I was pleasantly suprised by my little M-7 because I didn't know about the 1/10 "disclaimer" that Sierra put on the box when I ordered my first box. Good thing my Remington Mod-7 can't read.........
With Varget I'd start with 29.0gr for about 3,000fps and 34.0gr MAX for about 3,450fps. I personally haven't been thrilled by Varget. I prefer RL15 and H380 for my .22-250. It shoots best with 38.0gr of H380 with a 60gr Hornady giving ~1/2" groups at 3,500fps..... Kills deer about like the .257WbyMag w/100gr bullets.... bullet are usually balled up under the hide on the far side w/65% weight retention.... ie: 35-38.5gr...
Maybe, just maybe your rifle will be the "exception"..... Only one way to find out. But expect the Varget loads with the 65gr GK to perform better closer to max, as that is where they'll be best stabilized... if they will at all....
The Venture Weather Shield has a 1 in 10" twist. The other Ventures have a 1 in 12.
It's one of the few, as you indicate, Goose. It's the least expensive faster-twist .22-250 I've seen. I finally just ordered a 1 in 9 from E. R. Shaw. A matte stainless rifle with 24" straight fluted barrel and laminate stock was $1K plus $35 shipping. The major downside is the wait: 14 months is what I was quoted.
John
It's one of the few, as you indicate, Goose. It's the least expensive faster-twist .22-250 I've seen. I finally just ordered a 1 in 9 from E. R. Shaw. A matte stainless rifle with 24" straight fluted barrel and laminate stock was $1K plus $35 shipping. The major downside is the wait: 14 months is what I was quoted.
John
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Thanks for the info. I did load some with H4831 and shot a 1,1/16" group at hundred but looking for under a inch . I have loaded 204 and 223 with varget with very good luck . loaded some more today with h4831sc a little hotter and also a dozen with varget going to start at 31 and hope for the best . The rifle has A 1-12 twist.The reason for the varget if it can shot 1" or less is it should be less temperature sensitive.
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Are you sure H4831 is called for? I've looked in all of my reloading books, I don't find H4831 even listed for the .22-250 ! My understanding, 4831 powder is for large rifle calibers, 30-06 etc., I have a .22-250, but not sure about reloading any 4831 in it, sc or lc !
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The data is out of the lee modern reloading page 203 and 204 you will also see a data for 70gr that we could use H 1000 the onlything is that the one that I am using is for 64 gr jacketed bullet but I reduced the load a small amount and not yet at max .I am not having pressure concerns . Thanks
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There is certainly nothing wrong with using H4831 in the .22-250, but it's not ideally suited for the .22-250. You can't get enough powder in the case to really get enough velocity and pressure for best consistency.
IMR4350 with bullets 60gr and heavier has had some following, but with so many better suited powders available now, there is no reason it use it, unless you just have a lot of it and nothing else to use it in.
Best velocities and accuracy is usually with H380, RL15, IMR4320, and IMR4064. Varget fits closely with those and should you give decent results.
My only caveat with Varget is that an aquaintance/former co-worker burned out a barrel on a Savage M112 Varminter one morning on a prarie dog town shooting 40.0gr of Varget and Nosler 40gr BallisticTips. I believe 400rds is the figure he gave me..... But any of the above listed powders could have done that too....
Treat your barrel better than that.... He had it rebarreled and now shoots the Hornady 53gr V-max over 35.5gr of Varget. Has better 300yd + performance and less wind-drift at all ranges. And he shoots the closer in targets with a Bushmaster Varminter AR15, same bullet and powder at of course lower charge weights...
IMR4350 with bullets 60gr and heavier has had some following, but with so many better suited powders available now, there is no reason it use it, unless you just have a lot of it and nothing else to use it in.
Best velocities and accuracy is usually with H380, RL15, IMR4320, and IMR4064. Varget fits closely with those and should you give decent results.
My only caveat with Varget is that an aquaintance/former co-worker burned out a barrel on a Savage M112 Varminter one morning on a prarie dog town shooting 40.0gr of Varget and Nosler 40gr BallisticTips. I believe 400rds is the figure he gave me..... But any of the above listed powders could have done that too....
Treat your barrel better than that.... He had it rebarreled and now shoots the Hornady 53gr V-max over 35.5gr of Varget. Has better 300yd + performance and less wind-drift at all ranges. And he shoots the closer in targets with a Bushmaster Varminter AR15, same bullet and powder at of course lower charge weights...
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When I used the sc 4831 I think I could get to a max load. I'm not there yet and the bullet is stable. But if I can get the under an inch with Varget thats the way I will go . Thanks .
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