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Which would you choose to put the BG down.
I'd go with the .357 Magnum.
I'd go with the .357 Magnum.
.357 Magnum vs .45 ACP
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I prefer to use a .22 through the tear duct at fifty yards...
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I've been out of the gun forum loop for a long while, and just getting back into it with a possible purchase of a Smith and Wesson 28-2 shortly.
Sorry if this topic has been done to death, just something that occurred to me to ask at the moment.
Sorry if this topic has been done to death, just something that occurred to me to ask at the moment.
That's an older gun... nice though.
I would not feel at all undergunned with it, that's for sure. My .357 is a 6" barrel and I have no problems... a 4" barrel I wouldn't be worried about either.
Nice thing is that you can probably practice with .38spl... practicing with .45 kills me.
Either one will kill about as well if needed. Both are fun to blast paper with too
I would not feel at all undergunned with it, that's for sure. My .357 is a 6" barrel and I have no problems... a 4" barrel I wouldn't be worried about either.
Nice thing is that you can probably practice with .38spl... practicing with .45 kills me.
Either one will kill about as well if needed. Both are fun to blast paper with too
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With the 357, I have 7 rounds.
With my 45 I have 10 rounds.
I would go with the 45.
Both are good rounds.
With my 45 I have 10 rounds.
I would go with the 45.
Both are good rounds.
Getting in early on a caliber war!
Sweet! (usually it's 4-5 pp before I get in).
If you are talking one shot- straight .357mag vs .45acp; ignoring factors like capacity, concealability, size, barrel length (~4" vs 4"); I'd rather it be a .357mag (assuming stoutest load) than similar .45acp. But you gotta figure they're close (on humans).
When you adjust for the peripherals, I'll take a .45acp for capacity/size, flatness,overpenetration (if you go balls out the 1600fps stuff that you need to blow away .45acp)*; then you'll have the people come in and say well one or the other, a revolver/auto fits my hand better so that's what I'll take- skirting the issue. But what I thik you're asking is, one shot vs one shot of the other-
Shot for shot: .357mag > .45acp
mags for cylinder, & all things considered: .45acp >/= .357mag
pocket carry: .357mag >> .45acp
*imo/ymmv <- protects me from flame
Sweet! (usually it's 4-5 pp before I get in).
If you are talking one shot- straight .357mag vs .45acp; ignoring factors like capacity, concealability, size, barrel length (~4" vs 4"); I'd rather it be a .357mag (assuming stoutest load) than similar .45acp. But you gotta figure they're close (on humans).
When you adjust for the peripherals, I'll take a .45acp for capacity/size, flatness,overpenetration (if you go balls out the 1600fps stuff that you need to blow away .45acp)*; then you'll have the people come in and say well one or the other, a revolver/auto fits my hand better so that's what I'll take- skirting the issue. But what I thik you're asking is, one shot vs one shot of the other-
Shot for shot: .357mag > .45acp
mags for cylinder, & all things considered: .45acp >/= .357mag
pocket carry: .357mag >> .45acp
*imo/ymmv <- protects me from flame
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'Bout equal in my opinion. A 125-grain JHP .357 out of a 4" gun is very effective, so is a 230-grain JHP .45 out of a 4-5" gun. Is one better than the other as a man stopper? Statistics show that .357 has a slight edge.
For putting the bad guy down? 12-gauge.
I can't decide honestly! I'd feel just fine either one pointed at the BG and squeezing the trigger.
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For putting the bad guy down? 12-gauge.
I can't decide honestly! I'd feel just fine either one pointed at the BG and squeezing the trigger.
-Rob
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Let's see, I have a USP 45, Colt XSE, a S&W mod 19 and a Colt Python to choose from....
Honestly, I'd go w/ any of the above and feel equally protected.
Honestly, I'd go w/ any of the above and feel equally protected.sicario103
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The only way I would get a revolver for SD, would be if I get it as a backup. I don't care if I can shoot down a helicopter with it, I would never trust a gun with only 6 shots or less. IMHO, for SD, larger mag capacity (even by one- which can save your life) should outweigh all factors.... ofcourse assuming you have a decent caliber (9mm and up). And the fact that you can reload quicker, easier and conceal it (gun and extra mags) with less bulk... it's a no brainer.
So .357 mag Vs. .45 - .45 is the best way to go. In my opinion, revolvers should not be considered as a primary weapon for self-defense.... I know I'll get flamed for this but whether you like it or not revolvers are just plain obsolete.
So .357 mag Vs. .45 - .45 is the best way to go. In my opinion, revolvers should not be considered as a primary weapon for self-defense.... I know I'll get flamed for this but whether you like it or not revolvers are just plain obsolete.
sicario103 interesting opinion you have there sir , I have a few 1911's that are extremely reliable and would and do trust my life to , as well a 40 S&W with all that being said I have yet to ever ever have my 357's fail to fire , factorys , reloads , it just doesn't matter they have always gone bang when I wanted them to .
I only wish I could say the same for the autos .
Reliability sir , will never be something that will be obsolete .
I only wish I could say the same for the autos .
Reliability sir , will never be something that will be obsolete .
If the revolver is "obsolete"
And six rounds of .357mag just isn't cutting it, what is your opinion of compact .45's? Like a g36 which holds 7 rounds? Is that just enough, and six is just not enough?
THen what about 8 round cylinders? Do those then make autos holding less than that now obsolete?
Just curious. Revolvers aren't my cup either, but that's a pretty narrowminded take.
And six rounds of .357mag just isn't cutting it, what is your opinion of compact .45's? Like a g36 which holds 7 rounds? Is that just enough, and six is just not enough?
THen what about 8 round cylinders? Do those then make autos holding less than that now obsolete?
Just curious. Revolvers aren't my cup either, but that's a pretty narrowminded take.
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Oh. Well then I guess the 100 round Calico .22 must be the ultimate self defense pistol. *snicker*
"17+1? Ha! My life is 82 times safer than yours!"
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The Taurus 608 .357 holds 8 rounds. I'll take a .357 over a .45.
I can't reply to the comment about revolvers being obsolete, because I'll say something uncivil.
I can't reply to the comment about revolvers being obsolete, because I'll say something uncivil.
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Originally Posted by BigO01
I agree that reliability is important. Also, this reliability issue of revolvers being better than autoloaders is overly exaggerated. Nowaday, a decent auto coupled with the right ammunition is just as reliable as any. Neither one of my Beretta's has ever jammed on me except after firing about 100+ rounds without cleaning it. And up to now (knock on wood) no factory round has ever failed to go bang bang for me.... and I'm a real high volume shooter.
Originally Posted by jlh2600
To me, 7 rounds (for argument sake, I'll skip the fact that you can go 7+1) is much better than just 6. One extra bullet can be the difference between life and death. In self-defense, having higher capacity even if by just one greatly improves your chances. Now, higher capacity revolvers would be good too but it still wouldn't cut it for me beecause its way too bulky and slow to reload (even with speed loaders) compared to a semi, so coming back to my argument: .45 > .357mag.
I agree that reliability is important. Also, this reliability issue of revolvers being better than autoloaders is overly exaggerated. Nowaday, a decent auto coupled with the right ammunition is just as reliable as any. Neither one of my Beretta's has ever jammed on me except after firing about 100+ rounds without cleaning it. And up to now (knock on wood) no factory round has ever failed to go bang bang for me.... and I'm a real high volume shooter.
Originally Posted by jlh2600
To me, 7 rounds (for argument sake, I'll skip the fact that you can go 7+1) is much better than just 6. One extra bullet can be the difference between life and death. In self-defense, having higher capacity even if by just one greatly improves your chances. Now, higher capacity revolvers would be good too but it still wouldn't cut it for me beecause its way too bulky and slow to reload (even with speed loaders) compared to a semi, so coming back to my argument: .45 > .357mag.
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Originally Posted by .38 Special
Hmm, well if you read my first reply in this thread again, you'll see the part where I wrote "...Assuming you have a decent caliber (9mm and up)." *snicker*
Hmm, well if you read my first reply in this thread again, you'll see the part where I wrote "...Assuming you have a decent caliber (9mm and up)." *snicker*
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"Which would you choose to put the BG down?"
Whichever one was closer. I shoot a 45 (& 40,357sig,380,25,22,9mm,32acp,44,480,460,but not a 500-yet ) I'd much rather be putting the BG down with the 357, but in a shootout, the para P-14 with win R45ST is my choice.
Whichever one was closer. I shoot a 45 (& 40,357sig,380,25,22,9mm,32acp,44,480,460,but not a 500-yet
) I'd much rather be putting the BG down with the 357, but in a shootout, the para P-14 with win R45ST is my choice.rockstar.esq
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"Nice thing is that you can probably practice with .38spl... practicing with .45 kills me." Dude, seriously are you really attempting to declare the recoil of the .45ACP excessive compared to the .357 MAGNUM? Check the figures because I just don't see a case where that seems reasonable unless you put an 8" .357 mag against a derringer .45 ACP!
The reliability of revolvers is WAY overstated. I've had two that gave me fits due to worn out springs. The same thing has happened to me with autos for the same reason.
The .45 in general is easier to conceal as autos are generally flat sided and smooth.
Capacity is another aspect that goes to hyperbole quickly (the calico point made earlier).
Accuracy is realative to shooter performance which is WAY too complicated to answer for everyone.
I have a .45 ACP which is my regular carry piece however my .44SPl rides freqently and I feel well equiped with either.
So my vote goes to the .45 ACP just because I favor mass to velocity at close range, with a nomination that you all go out and buy a .44 special so that you'll indulge in the sweet joy that is a bulldog!
The reliability of revolvers is WAY overstated. I've had two that gave me fits due to worn out springs. The same thing has happened to me with autos for the same reason.
The .45 in general is easier to conceal as autos are generally flat sided and smooth.
Capacity is another aspect that goes to hyperbole quickly (the calico point made earlier).
Accuracy is realative to shooter performance which is WAY too complicated to answer for everyone.
I have a .45 ACP which is my regular carry piece however my .44SPl rides freqently and I feel well equiped with either.
So my vote goes to the .45 ACP just because I favor mass to velocity at close range, with a nomination that you all go out and buy a .44 special so that you'll indulge in the sweet joy that is a bulldog!
then for argument's sake...
(I'll skip the fact that the 36's 7 includes the chambered round (6 +1).
I agree with your position that all things considered, I'll take .45acp- not as much for capacity, but that and weight, size, shape, reloads, and reliability = revolvers in most quality autos (read my first post in this thread- there are two different questions that could be answered here); but it just comes off as troll's bait to say the revolver is obsolete (not that you are such, just that statement does).
(I'll skip the fact that the 36's 7 includes the chambered round (6 +1).
I agree with your position that all things considered, I'll take .45acp- not as much for capacity, but that and weight, size, shape, reloads, and reliability = revolvers in most quality autos (read my first post in this thread- there are two different questions that could be answered here); but it just comes off as troll's bait to say the revolver is obsolete (not that you are such, just that statement does).
This I agree with. People use "100%" reliable for revolvers, it's just not true. Of course there are guys here who have NEVER had a failure to fire, ever. Nor have I with my autos- doesn't mean they don't fail. And ironically, before I started shooting autos, the two revolvers I shot (less than half of the combined total round count I have through autos now) were the only guns I've ever had ANY kind of problem with. No machine is 100%. I think they are more reliable in different ways maybe.
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By that logic we should all be carrying AR based pistols with 100 round drum magazines.
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Here goes the flame wars again.
The real issue here is revolver vs auto, not 357 vs 45.
Comparing a revolver to an auto is a stupid arguement. Different engineering, different fire control systems. The 357 Magnum is a great round. A 357 revolver isn't a bad choice for whatever shooting needs to be done, but there are far better choices out there. For me a 45ACP 1911 or XD45 beats a wheelgun hands down.
With that I leave you with:
This is my opinion. Your opinion may vary
ZM
The real issue here is revolver vs auto, not 357 vs 45.
Comparing a revolver to an auto is a stupid arguement. Different engineering, different fire control systems. The 357 Magnum is a great round. A 357 revolver isn't a bad choice for whatever shooting needs to be done, but there are far better choices out there. For me a 45ACP 1911 or XD45 beats a wheelgun hands down.
With that I leave you with:
This is my opinion. Your opinion may vary
ZM
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Actually for me, recoil on a .357 and for that matter a .44 magnum is less than a .45.
Why? With the revolvers all I have to do is grip tight and fire. With the .45, I have brass flying back into my face, sometimes hitting me in the head and cutting me open. I can hold onto a 44 magnum and fire it easier than I can a .45.
Why? With the revolvers all I have to do is grip tight and fire. With the .45, I have brass flying back into my face, sometimes hitting me in the head and cutting me open. I can hold onto a 44 magnum and fire it easier than I can a .45.
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