Vitamin G
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I was hoping 4th gen would have interchangable backstraps to get rid of that blasted hump! 
4th Generation Glock Frames Inbound
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denfoote
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Historically Glock has changed "generations" when the production moulds wore out.
I'm not so sure about this one, though!!
I'm not so sure about this one, though!!
I doubt that it is because the molds are wearing out. It's entirely due to market forces. In 1998 the public was buying railed handguns like the USP and the 3rd generation frames debuted. Today military and LE wants a more evolved handgun frame, hence the 4th generation. If Glock had a "perfect" frame and was gaining--not losing market share, they would just rebuild any worn out frame molds.
I also hope that the safety is optional--like the lock. Unfortunatley, I believe that if it is optional, the only people who will see the non-safety models will be civies, and non-rank-and-file LE/military units. The safety models will take liability conscious LE angencies by storm.
I would like to see something like this as far as grip texture goes. It would have saved me about 15 hours on my old G19. I did a total of 7 frames and I will NEVER beat up my back, eyes and hands to do something like this again.
I also hope that the safety is optional--like the lock. Unfortunatley, I believe that if it is optional, the only people who will see the non-safety models will be civies, and non-rank-and-file LE/military units. The safety models will take liability conscious LE angencies by storm.
I would like to see something like this as far as grip texture goes. It would have saved me about 15 hours on my old G19. I did a total of 7 frames and I will NEVER beat up my back, eyes and hands to do something like this again.
I am generally a fan of the 1911A1, where customization comes easy and the bug to do it bites most hard, but even I cannot understand modifying the entire grip of a weapon just because it was mismanufactured to begin with. Buy a weapon that fits better.
It is way past due for Glock to have done the following, (some of which they have notably undertaken):
Allow for swappable backstraps. (They should act more like Microsoft and just rip off good ideas from elsewhere, or would that make them seem too much like S&W?) The grip angle is the singlemost heard complaint about Glocks, but they stand pat.
Remove the frickin' finger grooves. Some people swear by them, the other 98% find them to be anywhere from mildly annoying to obnoxious deal breaker, especially when they weren't on any previous generation.
Reversible or truly ambi mag catch. As a lefty, I do just fine with the positive one sided mag catch of the 1911A1, but the Glock's squarish and plastic button has always sucked hind teat in that regard for the southpawed. Rip off H&K's paddle already.
Round off the triggerguard or at least soften the 90 degree face a little. Squared off trigger guards are so 80s.
Allow a factory option manual safety. Most other polymer pistol systems allow for it. If one still wants the original recipe, great, if not, great also. When I was a reserve deputy, I paid for my own Beretta 92FS rather than take an issue Glock for three primary reasons. One is the righthandedness of the Glock. Two was the sucky grip angle. Three was the lack of a way to disable the gun in the event of a struggle for the weapon.
With the Beretta 92FS, one just left the safety off, hammer down on a loaded chamber. In the event of a struggle for the weapon, thumb down the trigger disconnect safety to "on safe" and wrestle for control. Manual safeties have many documented officer saves to their credit, and I am aware of no report, anywhere, that a manual safety has cost an officer his or her life via "forgetting" it was on.
It is way past due for Glock to have done the following, (some of which they have notably undertaken):
Allow for swappable backstraps. (They should act more like Microsoft and just rip off good ideas from elsewhere, or would that make them seem too much like S&W?) The grip angle is the singlemost heard complaint about Glocks, but they stand pat.
Remove the frickin' finger grooves. Some people swear by them, the other 98% find them to be anywhere from mildly annoying to obnoxious deal breaker, especially when they weren't on any previous generation.
Reversible or truly ambi mag catch. As a lefty, I do just fine with the positive one sided mag catch of the 1911A1, but the Glock's squarish and plastic button has always sucked hind teat in that regard for the southpawed. Rip off H&K's paddle already.
Round off the triggerguard or at least soften the 90 degree face a little. Squared off trigger guards are so 80s.
Allow a factory option manual safety. Most other polymer pistol systems allow for it. If one still wants the original recipe, great, if not, great also. When I was a reserve deputy, I paid for my own Beretta 92FS rather than take an issue Glock for three primary reasons. One is the righthandedness of the Glock. Two was the sucky grip angle. Three was the lack of a way to disable the gun in the event of a struggle for the weapon.
With the Beretta 92FS, one just left the safety off, hammer down on a loaded chamber. In the event of a struggle for the weapon, thumb down the trigger disconnect safety to "on safe" and wrestle for control. Manual safeties have many documented officer saves to their credit, and I am aware of no report, anywhere, that a manual safety has cost an officer his or her life via "forgetting" it was on.
I didn't say 98% were "turned off." I made up a stat that reflects that the finger grooves are far from universally loved. I haven't even thought about owning a Glock with the current generation frame. Lots of people make good money sanding and burning the finger bumpers off though. 
Zach S
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Waywatcher, I just put some rags in a 4" vise and clamped down on the slide. Then I took a peice of 120(?) grit sandpaper about as wide as the frontstrap and about two feet long and just sanded away like i was polishing my boots. After I got most of the fingergrooves sanded off, I used a thinner piece, about .5" wide (and two feet long, torn off the same belt as the other piece) and smoothed it out. The sandpaper came out the trash bin, right beside the giant beltsander at work, so new 120 may be too rough.
You may think it looks good in the picture, but in person its far from it, it would look a lot worse sitting next to Curare's G19. It really doesnt match the un-modifed parts of the frame, but blasting it with a really soft media would probably make everything match up. I just dont care about it enough to worry about it.
Curare, what did you use to stipple yours?
You may think it looks good in the picture, but in person its far from it, it would look a lot worse sitting next to Curare's G19. It really doesnt match the un-modifed parts of the frame, but blasting it with a really soft media would probably make everything match up. I just dont care about it enough to worry about it.
Curare, what did you use to stipple yours?
W.E.G.
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Is the Gen 4 magazine modification present on all Glock models?
Single stack!?! Glock's G21 double stack feeds so reliably, why not slim it up a bit, keep the double stack round count, and throw that new 5" barrel on it... ala XD Tactical?
I really want a Glock 35 in .357 from the factory more than a long barrel .45 (actually I want both, but the .357 would benefit more) ... now I have to worry about the next generation frame ... possible external safety ... before that .357 G35-ish pistol comes out ... IF it comes out.
Oh, well. I guess my Glock 21 and 31 will have to by my duty weapons for a few more years. Maybe Springfield will get a big, reliable external extractor on their XD's and give Glock a real run for their money.
As a side note, I have ordered the XD45 Tactical that I'm not going to carry. I'm just going to beat the snot out of it and see if it'll earn my trust the way my G21 has ... who knows, I might be a total XD convert in a couple of years!
I really want a Glock 35 in .357 from the factory more than a long barrel .45 (actually I want both, but the .357 would benefit more) ... now I have to worry about the next generation frame ... possible external safety ... before that .357 G35-ish pistol comes out ... IF it comes out.
Oh, well. I guess my Glock 21 and 31 will have to by my duty weapons for a few more years. Maybe Springfield will get a big, reliable external extractor on their XD's and give Glock a real run for their money.
As a side note, I have ordered the XD45 Tactical that I'm not going to carry. I'm just going to beat the snot out of it and see if it'll earn my trust the way my G21 has ... who knows, I might be a total XD convert in a couple of years!
Grayrider
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You are correct, the gun was at a recent trade show in Dark Earth color. A colleague of mine handled it. He reported the 21SF was "slightly" smaller feeling in the frame.
John
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Glocks coming out with a new model?
Why? Did somebody invent a new caliber?
Hooah, it may have been the leader, but speaking as somebody who sells guns for a living, over the last year I've sold probably 5 XDs for every Glock. They aren't dominating like they used to. If Glock was smart they would change some things up and actually listen to their customer base.
Why? Did somebody invent a new caliber?
Hooah, it may have been the leader, but speaking as somebody who sells guns for a living, over the last year I've sold probably 5 XDs for every Glock. They aren't dominating like they used to. If Glock was smart they would change some things up and actually listen to their customer base.
Vitamin G
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Hmm... I wonder if glock could find a way to make detachable and adjustable finger grooves?
Satisfy those who hate them, and those who like them.
Satisfy those who hate them, and those who like them.
longeyes
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Flexible ergonomics (finger grooves, backstraps) would be a wise tack for Glock. Put me in the camp who wouldn't mind their offering a frame-mounted safety either, if only as an option. They make a great handgun but need to adapt to consumer needs.
Grayrider
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I wish I had more info, but just know what I was told. He said that the gun grip reduction was not that much--in fact did not notice until it was pointed out to him. The most obvious changes were color and the rail. I wonder if there will be a 20SF?
John
John
denfoote
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I submit that, in this case, Glock IS listening to their "customer base"!!
Said base being the Democrats who have just taken power!! The new Glocks have as many "features" as Gaston can think of to placate these goofs!!
For instance, look for Glock to start only selling the new 13 round mags to LEO departments in anticipation of the new and improved AWB!!!! I expect this soon after the first of the year when the new congress is sworn in!!
Uh yeah..........the sky is falling, tighten your tinfoil.Autolycus
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