AStone
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Keep it up, JT.
You're going to
talk me into the 158s yet.
You're going to
talk me into the 158s yet.
642 Club Part Deux
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Nem - As you know, the homology of finite modules over the exterior algebra ∑(((X42 of a vector space V=CT algebraic set Mika(M) ` V, consisting of those fiVe that have a non-minimal annihilator in Bianchi²). A cohomological description of its defining ideal leads, among other things, to complementary expressions for its dimension, linked by a "depth formula". Explicit results are obtained for M = E=J+ 642 when J is generated by products of elements of a basis e1; : : : ; en of V. A (infinite) terminal resolution of E=J is constructed from a (finite) minimal resolution of S=I, where I is the squarefree monomial ideal generated by `the same ' products of the variables in the polynomial ring S = K[x1; : : : ; xn]. It is proved that VE (E=J) is the union of the coordinate subspaces of V, spanned by subsets of f e 1; : : : ; en g determined by the Betti numbers of S=I over 158/BB=642 Head...
Hence:
∑(((X42 + CT + Mika) + Bianchi²) + 642 Club) = X42 Head
Therefore:
...Bigger = Better
AStone
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The_Shootist
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Are 642's sighted in using 158 gr ammo? I'm having alot of trouble to hit COM at 7 yrds using + P 158 gr. I must have 500 rds through it and I am still all over the target. Its not like its my first snubby - both my Taurus 85 and SP 101 are dialed in and the accuracy is just fine with them at 7 yds using that type of carry ammo.
Its one of the new non-ILS 642's. I'll shoot it over a rest next weekend to try and narrow down where it hits (looking like low at 7 o'clock")
Are 642's sighted in using 158 gr ammo? I'm having alot of trouble to hit COM at 7 yrds using + P 158 gr. I must have 500 rds through it and I am still all over the target. Its not like its my first snubby - both my Taurus 85 and SP 101 are dialed in and the accuracy is just fine with them at 7 yds using that type of carry ammo.
Its one of the new non-ILS 642's. I'll shoot it over a rest next weekend to try and narrow down where it hits (looking like low at 7 o'clock")
presidente006
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Johnan,JT hit the nail on the head when describing your high/low, left/right shots. Also consider breathing. Depending on at what point you shoot (inhaling or exhaling), it will determine where your rounds will land. If youre inhaling, rounds tend to shoot high. While if youre exhaling, rounds tend to land low. Try shooting at the pause between inhaling and exhaling OR at the point where youve exhaled completely. Its where your body is at its most still position. But dont hold your breath or stay without air for too long because your body will start shaking and your shots will be all over the place.
JT, great scientific calculation. How long did it take you to put that down?
Update on the AR-15, Sender will mail it on Monday and I should be receiving it sometime this week. Obviously this is a 642 forum but I will post pictures nonetheless. It is too pretty of a rifle to not share.
JT, great scientific calculation. How long did it take you to put that down?
Update on the AR-15, Sender will mail it on Monday and I should be receiving it sometime this week. Obviously this is a 642 forum but I will post pictures nonetheless. It is too pretty of a rifle to not share.
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Also, Ive ordered some brass and primers this week for waxbullets so I can practice in the backyard. Also got some parafin from a local store here. Ill be posting results here in the near future to share how it goes.
Rmart30: How do this type of wood boot grips work on a 642?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEBI:IT&ih=017
I've had some of those in the past. The "sharp" edge at the bottom kills my pinkie as I wrap it under the grip on a short grip like that. FYI.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEBI:IT&ih=017
I've had some of those in the past. The "sharp" edge at the bottom kills my pinkie as I wrap it under the grip on a short grip like that. FYI.
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jt1 and Nematocyst, Thanks for the welcome and input! Now I can feel at east about those metal parts. I'm not much of a revolver guy at all, but for some reason I just got hit hard w/ this J-frame bug. Just picked-up this 642 and also got a 340PD on order, of course w/ the lock. Now I also see that the 442s are coming out w/o locks.....oh boy it looks like I'm gonna have to work some over-time and special duties. 
Now I can feel at east about those metal parts. I'm not much of a revolver guy at all, but for some reason I just got hit hard w/ this J-frame bug. Just picked-up this 642 and also got a 340PD on order, of course w/ the lock. Now I also see that the 442s are coming out w/o locks.....oh boy it looks like I'm gonna have to work some over-time and special duties. AStone
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Sweeper, we totally understand.
You've come to the right place for help.
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Hello,
My name is StreetSweeper and....I think I have a J-frame problem.
Is there any hope for me??
My name is StreetSweeper and....I think I have a J-frame problem.
Is there any hope for me??
You are aware that the "lockers" are inherently more accurate, are you not?
.. The_Shootist - This info is from the club archives. As you are an experienced shooter, the following may or may not help, but it may be good review and good info for others so post I'll again. Sometimes you have to go back to the basics.
Diagnosing Your Trigger Squeeze
Taken from the NRA's "The Basics of Pistol Shooting"
(for right handed shooters)
Taken from this site:
http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCrackShot.htm
Trigger control is of utmost importance, especially when shooting handguns. Shooting bullseye targets on paper is the only way to properly diagnose your trigger squeeze. It will also keep track of your progress and is an instant reminder if you start making any wrong moves.
1. When you fire 5 to 10 shots on the target, if it looks like someone has been using a shotgun - that is, they are a "pattern" and not a "group", this indicates you are not consistently gripping the firearm in the same manner, and most likely are putting your finger on the trigger differently each time. You probably do not have a consistent sight picture either, focusing on the sights for one shot while you focus on the target for another. Probably your hold is not steady either.
2. If your shots group low and to the left most likely you are jerking the trigger instead of squeezing it.
3. If your shots group high to the left - say in the 9 o'clock to 12 o'clock position - you are probably anticipating the recoil and pushing the firearm up. This is called "riding the recoil". Groups in this area are also caused by lack of follow-through.
4. If your group is consistent at about 9 o'clock you most likely do not have your finger on the trigger properly. You are probably squeezing at an angle instead of straight back.
5. If you group is high to the right you may be "heeling" the firearm - anticipating the recoil and pushing with the heel of your hand.
6. If your shots group fairly consistently to the right in the 3 o'clock area you are probably "thumbing" the gun. That is, as the gun goes off you are pushing on the side of the frame with your thumb.
7. If your group is consistently low, say in the 6 o'clock area, you may be "breaking" your wrist, that is, anticipating the recoil and cocking the wrist down. Low shots also come from improper follow-through when the shooter relaxes too quickly.
8. If all the shots are hitting right, low, say in the 4 to 5 o'clock area, you may be tightening your grip just as the gun fires. This is another form of anticipating recoil.
Here are two military websites on pistol marksmanship, they take some time to study, but have good info:
http://www.giwera.pl/pliki/pmtg.pdf
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...3-35/chap2.htm
presidente006 - When you tire of the DIY wax, check this out:
http://www.gunfighter.com/waxbullets/
Well, I did have a little help from Prof. WWW
StreetSweeper - Looks like you have the right meds on order
The next step is to remove the cause of your problem...you must sent me all your J's...Shade00
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The hope of finding more J-frames.
AStone
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You [strike]will be[/strike] have been assimilated.
Locutus of X42.
StreetSweeper
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oh man that ^^ was funny!
You guys are alright. I'm glad I joined this site. Looking forward to learning more about these J-frames as I slowly acquire more and more and more of them. Oh boy the problem is getting worst!
You guys are alright. I'm glad I joined this site. Looking forward to learning more about these J-frames as I slowly acquire more and more and more of them.
Oh boy the problem is getting worst! presidente006
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JT,mmmmh. I was gonna post a link I have for FM 3-23.35 (Army Pistol Marksmanship) to add to the ones you had posted. But something told me to check yours first. Sure enough. You had the very same one.
Also, I also have the link for the wax bullets that you posted. I believe you had already passed that one on to me b4. Either you or Nem. I want to try those out sometime in the future but at the moment Im going with the cheaper way to load them. My buddys wife works at the store I got the parafin at and she gave me a free package. You cant beat a freebee.
Professor WWW is a great source. I often find myself going to Professor Google for much of my questions about life.
Shootist, Definitely check out those two links. Alot of great info in there. Pretty much anything you want to know about pistols is there. If its not, youll find it here. Often times from Professor JT or any of the other x42 scholars that have been part of the forum since the very first one was active
Also, I also have the link for the wax bullets that you posted. I believe you had already passed that one on to me b4. Either you or Nem. I want to try those out sometime in the future but at the moment Im going with the cheaper way to load them. My buddys wife works at the store I got the parafin at and she gave me a free package. You cant beat a freebee.
Professor WWW is a great source. I often find myself going to Professor Google for much of my questions about life.
Shootist, Definitely check out those two links. Alot of great info in there. Pretty much anything you want to know about pistols is there. If its not, youll find it here. Often times from Professor JT or any of the other x42 scholars that have been part of the forum since the very first one was active
AStone
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Sweeper said "slowly".
<grins boyishly>
Sweeper, there's something 'bout revolvers that make
"slowly" more challenging, even for those of
us seeking a minimalist toolkit.
Good luck with that.
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S&W Model 67s
This was posted in the General Revolvers thread but I didn't want my 642 brothers and sisters to miss seeing this.
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/S_W_67.html
I'm thinking of picking up one for a house/car gun. I've never purchased from Summit but from my research they seem to have a good reputation.
This was posted in the General Revolvers thread but I didn't want my 642 brothers and sisters to miss seeing this.
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/S_W_67.html
I'm thinking of picking up one for a house/car gun. I've never purchased from Summit but from my research they seem to have a good reputation.
My 642 Airweight purchase, sorry if I'm getting wordy in my old age
Since about May, I've bought a CZ 100 9mm for winter/ cool weather carry, a pre-war Woodsman for love, and, my newest, a Smith & Wesson 908 9mm. for regular Texas weather (read hot and muggy) carry. I thought I was pretty much set. I had sold my Ruger .357 to a buddy at work, however, and that left me with only one revolver, an S&W 36 which was my casual carry piece. The handgun census around the homestead totals four 9s, a 7.65 Mauser, a .32 Beretta, and three .22s, all semi-autos along with that lonely little wheelgun.
I knew that by Christmas I could afford another pistol and figured it would be a revolver. I was thinking about a Smith Combat Masterpiece Model 15, maybe a 3 inch round butt Model 13. Or Dick Special Colt. As a back up selection, a Ruger SP101, although I'd rather have any of the other three, nothing bad about the Ruger, just not on my A-list.
Enter fate. Looking at the Smith & Wesson forum, here's a guy with a gently used Smith 642 Airweight +P, in the box w/ papers. Two Desantis holsters. Couple boxes of ammo. Very fair price. He's in my area code. I'm not sold on an Airweight, at least not .38 +P for me. It's got the internal lock. Uncool. Tactically, it doesn't do anything better than my Mdl 36 except carry easier. Still... Just 'cuz it says +P on the barrel, I don't have to load 'em. I may not prefer the lock, but how many confirmed ILS failures have I read about? I went to smith-wessonforum.com and looked at their thread on internal lock failures. I don't remember the exact numbers, but over several years there were a dozen confirmed failures. That seemed statistically insignificant. No chance of thumbcocking in case I have to fire past a hostage's ear at 50 yards, Say, what?
I looked at my finances. An effective payraise starting next month of 8%. A 25% drop in the house payment because of lower taxes. And isn't a Centennial the pistol James Bond carried to Crab Key in Dr. No, the book, not the movie? Not a cogent reason to buy a gun, but not one to be summarily dismissed out of hand. Look what Clint Eastwood did for Model 29s.
Most of you sense how this story ends. I gave the seller the money, he gave me the 642. A really nice guy, we had a chance to talk and exchange ideas and opinions.
I'll have a chance this weekend to shoot the newcomer. The action's not as smooth as my Chief Special. It feels somehow different, sounds different too, not as solid, maybe because of the frame mounted firing pin. (I guess that item's standard now.) The stock grips don't fit as well at the upper frame as the CS Hogue monogrip. I'll have to darken the front sight. I won't even consider the lock - out of sight, out of mind. I wouldn't have thought 5 1/2 ounces of weight, 642 Airweight v Model 36, would have been so striking. It will be an easier carry piece. I'm looking forward to a fruitful relationship with it.
Since about May, I've bought a CZ 100 9mm for winter/ cool weather carry, a pre-war Woodsman for love, and, my newest, a Smith & Wesson 908 9mm. for regular Texas weather (read hot and muggy) carry. I thought I was pretty much set. I had sold my Ruger .357 to a buddy at work, however, and that left me with only one revolver, an S&W 36 which was my casual carry piece. The handgun census around the homestead totals four 9s, a 7.65 Mauser, a .32 Beretta, and three .22s, all semi-autos along with that lonely little wheelgun.
I knew that by Christmas I could afford another pistol and figured it would be a revolver. I was thinking about a Smith Combat Masterpiece Model 15, maybe a 3 inch round butt Model 13. Or Dick Special Colt. As a back up selection, a Ruger SP101, although I'd rather have any of the other three, nothing bad about the Ruger, just not on my A-list.
Enter fate. Looking at the Smith & Wesson forum, here's a guy with a gently used Smith 642 Airweight +P, in the box w/ papers. Two Desantis holsters. Couple boxes of ammo. Very fair price. He's in my area code. I'm not sold on an Airweight, at least not .38 +P for me. It's got the internal lock. Uncool. Tactically, it doesn't do anything better than my Mdl 36 except carry easier. Still... Just 'cuz it says +P on the barrel, I don't have to load 'em. I may not prefer the lock, but how many confirmed ILS failures have I read about? I went to smith-wessonforum.com and looked at their thread on internal lock failures. I don't remember the exact numbers, but over several years there were a dozen confirmed failures. That seemed statistically insignificant. No chance of thumbcocking in case I have to fire past a hostage's ear at 50 yards, Say, what?
I looked at my finances. An effective payraise starting next month of 8%. A 25% drop in the house payment because of lower taxes. And isn't a Centennial the pistol James Bond carried to Crab Key in Dr. No, the book, not the movie? Not a cogent reason to buy a gun, but not one to be summarily dismissed out of hand. Look what Clint Eastwood did for Model 29s.
Most of you sense how this story ends. I gave the seller the money, he gave me the 642. A really nice guy, we had a chance to talk and exchange ideas and opinions.
I'll have a chance this weekend to shoot the newcomer. The action's not as smooth as my Chief Special. It feels somehow different, sounds different too, not as solid, maybe because of the frame mounted firing pin. (I guess that item's standard now.) The stock grips don't fit as well at the upper frame as the CS Hogue monogrip. I'll have to darken the front sight. I won't even consider the lock - out of sight, out of mind. I wouldn't have thought 5 1/2 ounces of weight, 642 Airweight v Model 36, would have been so striking. It will be an easier carry piece. I'm looking forward to a fruitful relationship with it.
From jt1:
Quote:
...A 25% drop in the house payment because of lower taxes...
Is this a typo?
No, I'd bought my "spread" as we Texans call it, all 1/2 acre, at mid-year and wasn't able to homestead it until the following January. If I live to 65, I'll get another whopping drop
And thanks for the welcome. I'm looking forward to a long term relationship with the 642. I've decided that I've reached the age where what I buy is mine till I'm planted. No more foolish trades, no more hunting down the hottest fad. Heck, I waited till just this past weekend to finally by a <<groan>> Glock.
Quote:
...A 25% drop in the house payment because of lower taxes...
Is this a typo?
No, I'd bought my "spread" as we Texans call it, all 1/2 acre, at mid-year and wasn't able to homestead it until the following January. If I live to 65, I'll get another whopping drop
And thanks for the welcome. I'm looking forward to a long term relationship with the 642. I've decided that I've reached the age where what I buy is mine till I'm planted. No more foolish trades, no more hunting down the hottest fad. Heck, I waited till just this past weekend to finally by a <<groan>> Glock.
hoghead - This is about all I can find:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/530103904/m/5801096813/p/1
capttom - ...[strike]Glock[/strike]...hey, we have women and children here in the clubhouse...let's keep it clean...
Howdy ladies and germs. I reckon its time I joined up.
My 642 experience is as follows:
I worked armed security out in Florida a good while back and carried a 642 as a backup to my S&W 64/65. Really liked the little poodle shooter but moved on to autos eventually.
My first personally owned handgun was a S&W 66 many moons ago. I did tote a S&W .41 mag. Mountain Gun for awhile and really liked it. I recently bought my son a S&W 686 2 1/2". While shooting the thing I remembered why I liked the S&W revolvers so much. I have a new 642 no-lock and a 629 Mountain Gun heading my way. The son will probaly get the 642 but I will get another ASAP. They are a great pocket piece.
I appreciate everything y'all are doing here and have learned a good bunch while working my way through both threads. Thanks for being here. Ray
My 642 experience is as follows:
I worked armed security out in Florida a good while back and carried a 642 as a backup to my S&W 64/65. Really liked the little poodle shooter but moved on to autos eventually.
My first personally owned handgun was a S&W 66 many moons ago. I did tote a S&W .41 mag. Mountain Gun for awhile and really liked it. I recently bought my son a S&W 686 2 1/2". While shooting the thing I remembered why I liked the S&W revolvers so much. I have a new 642 no-lock and a 629 Mountain Gun heading my way. The son will probaly get the 642 but I will get another ASAP. They are a great pocket piece.
I appreciate everything y'all are doing here and have learned a good bunch while working my way through both threads. Thanks for being here. Ray
ferretray - Welcome to the 642 Club, Glad to hear you have taken the time to read some of the original and the current thread, it kind of puts it all in perspective when folks know the history, kinda like going back to "skool". We are glad your here...give your boy the 629 and keep the 642 for yourself ...
...AStone
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Great intro story, ferretray.
Welcome to the clubhouse.
Glad to hear the bug struck again.
Never too late to come back to the clubhouse.
I like your other choices of SWs, also.
Particularly found of those models in the mid-60's.
Welcome to the clubhouse.
Glad to hear the bug struck again.
Never too late to come back to the clubhouse.
I like your other choices of SWs, also.
Particularly found of those models in the mid-60's.
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