9mm jamming! Better Ammo?

[GO!!!!!!!]

I am in search of some good home defense ammo for my G22 and some good target ammo for my Hi Point C9 9mm.

When I go to the range with the G22 it fires the white box of Winchester rounds with no problems as expected from a Glock.

But when I try the same brand of 9mm luger rounds with the Hi Point it jams on nearly every magazine. I have read that the HP can be sensitive to the grain of ammo used, but I have to be honest I don't really understand enough about the grain of ammo and it's importance to know what could potentially help fix this problem. I was wondering if a new magazine could help fix it along with some better ammo for the range.

I have resolved myself to the G22 for home defense as Glocks reliability has been proven many times over and that's the reason I bought it, but I would like to see if I can get this 9mm functioning properly before utilizing the lifetime warranty that came with it.

Any thoughts and or experience with HP that could help here? And also suggestions to best home defense rounds for the G22?

 

[jr45]

What type of jams? Failure to feed, extract, double feed, etc?

 

[GO!!!!!!!]

I'm not to familiar with the terms used for it so I'll describe it as best I can... One type of jam and the most common on it is the last round in the magazine will more often than not will be almost vertical inside the chamber. Rather than coming out of the magazine "straight" its as if it was pushed up unevenly by the spring in the mag toward the front of the round.

another is a failure to eject completely. That's usually a very simple one to correct just by cycling the action again, but still a touch annoying.

And the most infrequent of the jams it has is is where two rounds appear to have been released by the magazine and creates a (for lack of better term) traffic jam in the chamber.

Interestingly enough, under rapid fire there isn't a single problem with it. It's almost like if the gun has time to think about it, it will give me the big F you and laugh at me. So I did the only thing I could think of to show it who was boss... I bought a Glock and shelfed the Hi Point.

 

[kingpin008]

Before you look at ammo being the cause, you might want to look at the shooter. If I recall correctly, the hi-point utilizes a direct blow-back design, which can be sensitive to limp-wristing. Next time at the range, pay special attention to your shooting posture and hand position, and see if that has any effect.

Sometimes when shooting we create little variances in grip or stance without realizing it that can do crazy things to accuracy and reliability of guns.

Barring that, how long has it been since you cleaned and lubed the gun and magazines? Sometimes a little carbon buildup can really affect the functionality of a firearm.

 

[Owen]

that is almost definitely a magazine problem.

 

[jr45]

Sounds like a mag problem or limp wristing.

 

[GO!!!!!!!]

I hear ya kingpin... I was told about that by a friend of mine who is a proficient shooter. (Army special forces) He explained limp wrisitng to me and I pay close attention to that on both pistols. As for cleaning... I haven't figured out how to field strip the HP yet so I use Rem oil and a bore snake on it. I spray every visible part of the gun I can get to, magazine included and still the problem continues.

I found a website that has 10 round mags for the C9 and I thought I might order one and only load 8 and see if that helps. I'm suspicious of the magazine because the last time I was at our favorite range there was a guy there with an identical gun. He let me use his magazine and it worked fine. So I'm leaning heavily toward the mag being the problem.

But you mentioned the blow back design that Hi Point has and that's the reason I'm curious about the ammo. I'm not sure what ammo would be best for such a heavy slide and strong spring.

I'm thinking I'll order the mag and some good target ammo and see if that fixes it. The mag is only 15 dollars so it couldn't hurt to try.

 

[JoeSlomo]

that is almost definitely a magazine problem.

Ditto...

Find a forum that has alot of hi-point owners and they should be able to tell you which mags are working more reliably in their guns.

Mags and ammo type are pretty easy variables to change when trouble shooting your gun, and you may find that your particular gun likes a certain mag and shoots certain ammo more reliably.

 

[kingpin008]

GO! - I wonder if using Rem-Oil might not be contributing to your problem. From what I hear, it tends to be pretty sticky, at least moreso than other brands of lubes/cleaners. When you clean your guns and mags, are you just spraying it in and letting it settle where it settles, or are you spraying and trying to get the areas you can, and then letting the excess sit there?

Either way, I'd bet that you have a fair bit of carbon buildup in the action of the gun and the mags.

Have you seen the takedown guide here? http://hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=555

If not, it should help ya field strip it in the future.

 

[GO!!!!!!!]

I just ordered 2 10 round magazines for it. We'll see if that and attention to limp wristing helps. I'll let you know. I did find a Hi Point forum too. I'll be sure to frequent that if the problem continues. Not that THR isn't filled with smart people of course. Just seems I'm a bit more likely to run down an answer on a gun specific forum.

 

[GO!!!!!!!]

KP, I spray and clean what I can reach with either Q-tips or some cotton patches I picked up at the local walmart. I use the same oil on my Glock, but it's a lot easier to get to all the parts for cleaning on the Glock.

 

[chris in va]

I haven't figured out how to field strip the HP yet so I use Rem oil and a bore snake on it.

There's the problem. You need to take the gun apart and hose it down with something that will get all that crud out. First time I did that with my carbine, it shocked me how much junk had built up.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I agree, you have to keep your guns clean. Rem oil is a good lubricant but it's not a cleaning solution. Before you throw any more money at this "problem" take your pistol apart and give it a good cleaning. Use a good cleaning solution like Hoppe's #9 and get all the crud out of everywhere. Like said above, oil can attract dirt and cause problems.

 

[Owen]

GO!!!,

If you call or email High Point with a request for an owner's manual, they will almost certainly send one.

There will be field strip and cleaning instructions in the owner's manual, presuming High Point behaves like the rest of the industry.

Good Luck!

 

[CountGlockula]

If you're not satisfied with the HiPoint's performace, the sell it or trade it for a Glock 19.

And also suggestions to best home defense rounds for the G22?

I use Winchester White Box JHP and Winchester Ranger for my G35/23.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I found this one on You Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ4mM-h4QVg&feature=related It's not the best but I'm sure you can find more if you look...

 

[GO!!!!!!!]

I have concluded that the 9mm FTF problem was primarily the magazines. I got my hew "hi cap" mags if you can call em that for the Hi Point on friday and went to the range with them. I was only loading them with 8 rounds at first so as to not put too much stress on the spring, but then I figured "ah why the hell not?" So I had my G22 with me and the HP C9 with the new mags. And after I had emptied the magazines of the G22 and the C9. I decided to run a little test...


-I loaded both the new magazines for the C9 to full capacity (10 each).
-Left them sitting there while I loaded both G22 mags to full capacity (15 each).
-I kept them sitting there while I changed my targets.
-I fired all 30 rounds through the G22, flawless by the way...
-Then I proceeded to the C9 with the new magazines

I ran this test 3 times in a row and I am pleased to report that the C9 fired through 120 rounds (in total. 60 rounds during my test) without a single FTF from the new magazines. I did use the old magazine once and it did exactly what I thought it would do.... Last round was an FTF...

So I have conclusive enough evidence for me that what i had was a bad magazine. Thanks for the help and suggestions... I still have to figure out how to get it apart.

 

[jjohnson]

Marking Mags

Yeah, it sure looked like a mag problem.

It's a good idea to mark each of your mags if you have a handful of them that are otherwise identical. That way you can remember when you get back from the range, "Oh, yeah, it was 'mag 3' that keeps jamming me..."

Most of the mags have a little button on the baseplate that holds it in place. Push the little button all the way in, then slide the plate out.... but make sure you don't have the mag pointing towards your eye - you can get the spring in the face if you do......