A question of readiness
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Drgong
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Great, +100, love the photo of wife and daughter on the table/dresser...
Nice gun too!
Nice gun too!
My friend has a Stag AR made for lefthanders. He shoots much better in 3-gun, even though he swore he had been shooting right-hand guns all his life and didn't need the lefthand model. Maybe the guy in the photo would be interested in checking them out.
Very attractive family in the photo.
Very attractive family in the photo.
Big45
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Boo. Makes the guy look like a mall ninja. Soccer mom sees that and thinks the whole culture is lunatic fringe. Way over the top.
kingpin008
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Quite to the contrary - he's practicing proper gun safety (finger off the trigger) and doesn't come off as a "mall ninja" in any way. I think the setting (nicely decorated home, without a rebel flag or velvet elvis to be seen) along with the way the guy is dressed (casual, rather than bib overalls and a Dale Earnhart baseball cap or 5.1 tactical vest and boonie hat) do a lot to "legitimize" the choice of an AR.
And let's face it - soccermoms already paint us as the "lunatic fringe". This scene, I think, is pretty dang tame compared to the stuff they already imagine.
And let's face it - soccermoms already paint us as the "lunatic fringe". This scene, I think, is pretty dang tame compared to the stuff they already imagine.
Big45
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"In any way"? The guy has a friggin suppressed, quad railed, laser equipped, $700 red dotted AR to go check on the noise downstairs and he's not mall ninjaish in any way?
I don't even notice the family pic I'm to busy rolling my eyes at this rambo.
whosyrdaddy
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High power rifle makes for a poor choice of HD gun. Makes me think of the bullet going through the BG, then the walls, then the little boy sleeping in the house next door. Shotgun would be much more appropriate.
armoredman
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That's the point - the rifle only "gun nuts" have is in an obviously normal setting, normal person using it. I do like the way the background is setup. I could see this done again with a double barrel CAS shotgun, but it's fine the way it is.
If this is suppose to convince people on why carrying is a good thing, why having a gun for self-defense is a good thing, why not make it something that your average person is likely to keep for such an use? Not everybody needs or wants an AR to run around with.
Big45
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Yes that is the point but pulled off way more effectively in the Armed America book with a similar rifle just propped up against the wall and the focus is on the family. This looks like the guy is all jazzed up to finally blow away the bad guys with his $2k arfcom special.
Sylvan-Forge
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Excellent composition!
Excellent tool (Suppressed AR) for the job (Stopping home invaders RFN) too! Nice to keep one's hearing intact.
Nothing wrong with the old double barrel shottie of course, but not everyone has the skills and time needed to develope the skill set, recoil aclimation, shot patterning (collateral damage! friendly fire!) to use one successfully against any appreciable number of home invaders (more than 2?).
As for being PC .. that hasn't gotten the effort very far.
That his eyes are directed away from the viewer may give that "jazzed look" since you see more of the white's of his eyes..
You could say Guy's jazzed up because of the uninvited huns.
.223/5.56 does not over-penetrate, unless you're talking solids or AP.
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Excellent tool (Suppressed AR) for the job (Stopping home invaders RFN) too! Nice to keep one's hearing intact.
Nothing wrong with the old double barrel shottie of course, but not everyone has the skills and time needed to develope the skill set, recoil aclimation, shot patterning (collateral damage! friendly fire!) to use one successfully against any appreciable number of home invaders (more than 2?).
As for being PC .. that hasn't gotten the effort very far.
That his eyes are directed away from the viewer may give that "jazzed look" since you see more of the white's of his eyes..
You could say Guy's jazzed up because of the uninvited huns.
.223/5.56 does not over-penetrate, unless you're talking solids or AP.
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Dark_Harvest
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Big45... really?
bogie
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Oleg, do you know ANYONE who owns an ordinary lever action .30-30 or 12 gauge bird gun?
The Unknown User
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If I had a home-defense rifle, it'd be that same setup.Big45 said:
A suppressor is going to (1) keep the noise down enough to prevent me from going deaf, (2)reduce the flash signature, thus saving my eyesight, and (3) the red dot sight is going to help in target acquisition.
bogie
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I feel so inadequate... If I hear a bump in the night, I grab a cut-down Stevens 235 double-barreled side-by-side shotgun that's got to be at least 50-75 years old, maybe more, and is far from tacticool...
It's just got those two big holes in the business end...
It's just got those two big holes in the business end...
Sylvan-Forge
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Hey Bogie, if you can use it well, more power to ya! (I really want an o/u!)
It's just the whole EBR thing .. Evil Black Rifle .. and the ridiculous perpetuation. Maybe one day it will be seen as just a tool, rather than a weekend soldier's fantasy toy. Or worse, the preferred arm of the crack-pot militia loon.
Besides, we all know "terrorists" have the market on the AK-47
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It's just the whole EBR thing .. Evil Black Rifle .. and the ridiculous perpetuation. Maybe one day it will be seen as just a tool, rather than a weekend soldier's fantasy toy. Or worse, the preferred arm of the crack-pot militia loon.
Besides, we all know "terrorists" have the market on the AK-47
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Oleg Volk
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Reasons for the SBR (a .22LR actually, just using a 223 magazine):
- truly non-gunnies won't know the difference
- I planned captions discussing the one advantage a lone defender can have against an invading gang: better weapon and training
- it's what the guy had on hand -- all his house guns are ARs
- truly non-gunnies won't know the difference
- I planned captions discussing the one advantage a lone defender can have against an invading gang: better weapon and training
- it's what the guy had on hand -- all his house guns are ARs
Powderman
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To all the naysayers on this thread:
1. The AR15 is almost the ideal home defense rifle. With hollowpoint or softpoint rounds, 40 to 55 grain, wounding potential is tremendous, while overpenetration is almost eliminated.
2. They are VERY easy to control, allowing the presentation of multiple rounds on target in short order.
3. The suppressor will protect the ears of the shooter and innocent parties. The BG won't notice the sound--they'll be too busy ducking bullets and slipping in doo-doo.
4. The electronic dot sight allows fast target acquisition, even in total darkness.
5. For those of you who have chosen to belittle the photographer and call the guy in the picture Rambo, how many armed confrontations have YOU been in?
Oleg, as always, superior work.
1. The AR15 is almost the ideal home defense rifle. With hollowpoint or softpoint rounds, 40 to 55 grain, wounding potential is tremendous, while overpenetration is almost eliminated.
2. They are VERY easy to control, allowing the presentation of multiple rounds on target in short order.
3. The suppressor will protect the ears of the shooter and innocent parties. The BG won't notice the sound--they'll be too busy ducking bullets and slipping in doo-doo.
4. The electronic dot sight allows fast target acquisition, even in total darkness.
5. For those of you who have chosen to belittle the photographer and call the guy in the picture Rambo, how many armed confrontations have YOU been in?
Oleg, as always, superior work.
SADshooter
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If you've seen any of Oleg's previous work, he's created numerous posters of people protecting themselves with "normal" firearms. I happen to think reinforcing the principle is more important than the tools used, and I see a normal person using the best tools he can to perform his most vital function.
It was great to finally meet you, Oleg.
SADShooter
It was great to finally meet you, Oleg.
SADShooter
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Despite whether or not the AR pictured is a suitable choice for home defense, I think there's some merit to the point that "tacticool" military looking add ons feed the "assault weapon" stereo types.
If the object is to get Jane and Joe Average to think about using a firearm for home defense, I'd suggest keeping it basic. Pump 12 ga., Revolver, etc...
Something Joe and Jane can picture themselves handling and is not to far outside of their world (i.e. Dad had a revolver that looked like that, or Grandpa had a shotgun that looked like that).
Even an A2 style AR (like Uncle Harry carried in the National Guard) would likely do the trick.
Justin
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Oleg, I like this one.
Nice job with the drop shadow under his arm.
Nice job with the drop shadow under his arm.
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