ACLU blasted on own blog

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I had to smile at the perfect succinctness of one of the commenters who observed that our civil rights seem to be interfering with the ACLU’s agenda.
 
Currently they are no threat

It is the ACLU's right to disagree with the Supreme Court, just as someone above mentioned.

So why does the ACLU disagree with the Supreme Court's ruling on Heller? Just as someone mentioned above, 90% of their money comes from their members. The ACLU is a business entity just like all other businesses, and they cater to their market base.


Besides, if they are officially neutral on the second Amendment as it states on their web site, they are not actively working against gun ownership. They are no threat to you.
 
Being neutral against the 2nd amendment and saying they pose no threat. If I was being vicously attacked by a miscreant and my neighbor, best friend, etc, etc stood by neutrally. Yes my neighbor, best friend, etc, etc were not threat to me but I sure could have used their help when the chips were down!!! Like the sergeant in full metal jacket said "I'll be keeping my eye out on you"
 
Liberal gun owners....To them, owning a gun is about sport shooting and not about RKBA.
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You know, that's a pretty broad generalization, and one I have not found to be true.
 
You know, that's a pretty broad generalization, and one I have not found to be true.
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I think the problem we have here today is that people believe that if one is to be a liberal or conservative then one has to agree with all aspects and issues pertaining to respective classes. Kinda like saying one is a conservative and therefore votes Republican only yet the Republican Party has people like Bloomberg and Romney who are liberals.

Not to pick on some liberals but I believe that is why some anti gun liberals can't debate or truly argue about the RKBA because they bought into the you have to be against the RKBA if one is to be a true liberal fallacy.

Ironically that goes against the point of being a liberal IMHO.
 
Sad to see the handful of misspelled and profanity-laced comments about commies, Hitler, etc. but I guess we can't police every single one of our ranks.
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I, personally, don't count those as one of our ranks. Common courtesy and civility work wonders toward making ones' point. Crudeness and vulgarity ofter mark lack of knowledge and/or understanding. I would hope members of this community hold themselves to higher standards.

Regardless of their manner of expression, it seemed the overwhelming majority of bloggers were anti-ACLU. I didn't post, but I have no use for that organization.
 
I, personally, don't count those as one of our ranks.
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Unfortunately, the anti-gunners over at the ACLU likely do. It's easy for the intellectually lazy (or intellectually dishonest) to see a couple of posts from the drooling dunce cadre and then say "Well, what do you expect from a gun nut?"

But again, nothing to really be done about it, other than keep the peer pressure on at sites like this one.

So in that vein: by all means make your opinion known, folks, but realize that when you speak on behalf of gun ownership and 2A rights, you represent every gun owner. So try not to look like an ass, eh? ;)
 
I think the ACLU stopped accepting input. Mine was submitted on July 4 at about 11:00 am and hasn't shown up yet.

It finally showed up. Instead of being post 398, mine is post 433. I guess they took Fourth off to celeberate what rights they believe in.
 
I think the problem we have here today is that people believe that if one is to be a liberal or conservative then one has to agree with all aspects and issues pertaining to respective classes. Kinda like saying one is a conservative and therefore votes Republican only yet the Republican Party has people like Bloomberg and Romney who are liberals.

Not to pick on some liberals but I believe that is why some anti gun liberals can't debate or truly argue about the RKBA because they bought into the you have to be against the RKBA if one is to be a true liberal fallacy.

Ironically that goes against the point of being a liberal IMHO.
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How about instead of "liberal" and "conservative" we used terms like "authoritarian," "leans towards authoritarianism," "libertarian," or "leans towards libertarianism."

Stalin and Hitler were both statist or authoritarian. While one was on the left and other on the right, there wasn't a whole lot of difference between the two as far as liberty or freedom is concerned.

Using the word "statist" is loaded and brings about connections to Stalin or Hitler, so "authoritarian" is better choice of words to get one's point across in this context.

With that said, the ACLU's position doesn't pass the common sense test:

On the one hand, they take the libertarian position that the government should not place any controls or restrictions on speech or promote one religion over another. On the other hand, they take the authoritarian position that the government should place many controls and restrictions on ownership of firearms.

So which is it? Do they advocate authoritarianism or libertarianism?
 
I think the ACLU stopped accepting input. Mine was submitted on July 4 at about 11:00 am and hasn't shown up yet.
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No, they were just behind. Check again.

People need to realize that it's a moderated board, and that their post number will change after it clears moderation. They're not censoring that I can tell.

I also wish certain commenters there would cool it with the expletives and name-calling. It does nothing to further our cause and makes us look like knuckle draggers.
 
HeavyDuty - I just checked and you're right. It did show up. You're also right in that we should keep to the High Road in posting at their website. While rational arguments won't win them over (anyway), at least we won't look like the redneck, yahoos they want us to appear like.
 
After they've tarnished their image on so many cases, the ACLU has become one thing:

Irrelevant

Put them in the likes of Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton, always there to get their name in the papers, but of no substance whatsoever.
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The one thing they are NOT is Irrelevant. Quite a bit of case law has been decided because of their arguments.

Now is not the time to blow the ACLU off. Now is the time to take them to the ropes and FORCE them to change their stance. Every time they post something on their blog, people should focus their comments on the ACLU's stance on the Second Amendment. Every time someone is talking about the ACLU bring up the ACLU's stance on the Second Amendment.

The ACLU and it's members are in the position of having to defend the ACLU's position on the Second Amendment.

Don't let them off the hook.
 
I think I'll steer clear of such an endeavor.

I have no desire to fund the American Communist Lovers United.

Instead of wasting money on some quest to change the ACLU from the inside, the money could be sent to an effective pro-gun organization that would immediately get to work doing what you claim the ACLU will do eventually.
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And that effective pro-gun organization will spend it trenching in, and going head-to-head, fighting via frontal assaults... And they, and the ACLU, will cheerfully spend money insulting each other, possibly for years.

You don't get it.

If 1/4 of the NRA membership joins the ACLU, and a year later, tells them that "Hey, we're quitting unless you get your head outta your four point of contact regarding the 2nd amendment," well, they'll have already banked on getting x-amount of dues. And they will have already budgeted for it.

Wouldn't you just love to be in that meeting?
 
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I prefer the following names for the ACLU:
Anti-constitutional league of unbelievers
or American Communist Lawyers Union
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Clever; you should go post these on their blog, along with the 11,000 other people who came up with the same exact thing.
 
And I'm sure that such a persuasive argument will have them running to embrace the second amendment! :rolleyes:
 
bogie, it's a neat idea but the ACLU is not grass roots and they've never cared much about the "little people" in their ranks. They get the core of their funding from leftist endowments and a small cadre of extremely wealthy people. All of whom are violently anti-gun and elitist.
 
I will contribute to the cause in the best way I know how... Finally, buy my life membership in the NRA and encourage everyone I know to do the same.
 
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