An anti-gun 20/20 this friday

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Sure, go right ahead and squander your time watching a dog and pony show that will in all likelihood prove to be rife with the same old tired chicanery, mendacity, deceit, and pretense.
 
Hey after readin most of this thread I jumped over to abc's webpage and looked around. There are a couple of videos and snipits of the basic junk that we'd expect, but then there was this one:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=7260969

Although I don't agree with the "way" he stated his opinion, it was pretty much on the mark as I saw it.
Also at nearly 500 comments and replys to some of the "anti-" videos, it seems we here at THR are not alone.
ok maybe Im just looking for a silver lining but you gotta have hope.
 
Just my 2 cents worth. I think the media is hypocritical in putting all blame on spree shootings at gun laws saying we need tougher gun laws. They too need to evaluate the way the report on each shooting. IMHO, I think they should NOT give much attention and focus on the perp as that would only serve to encourage and give other copycats the false notion that they too could attain the same fame/noteriety and public attention if they engage in the same stupid and selfish actions. Therefore the media is part of the problem too!
 
The media does have, as a whole, a left-of-center bias. But that isn't the issue here any more than anyones opinion of a specific reporter.

The issue under discussion is how fair the reporting is on this issue and what to do about the perceived lack of balance.
 
I just saw a commercial on it. It's absolutely rediculous. It's trying to make people think they would do more harm than good if they were attacked by a gunman.

Plus they show kids pointing guns at each other.
 
There is no way this report is going to be anywhere near 'balanced'. ABC News has a well known anti-gun bias.

I'm sure it's going to be infuriating, and I know it won't be good for my blood-pressure, but I think it's important for us to watch. I know this will be good for at least one blog out of Paul Helmke, and I'm sure several emails from the Brady Campaign soliciciting contributions, and imploring us all to call our representatives, and the White House, as they did over the 'guns in national parks' thing.

I'm also sure that there will be a whole new crop of antis to deal with on Helmke's blog on Huffpo, and a whole new crop of anti-gun blogs from other authors over there.

Oh, the hysteria.
 
These anti gun people like Diane S . are idiots ! They all claim guns should be be banned . I remember during the LA riots alot of anti gun people were
the first in line ! to buy a gun . It's always no to guns unless it involves "their" safety .
 
I'm also sure that there will be a whole new crop of antis to deal with on Helmke's blog on Huffpo, and a whole new crop of anti-gun blogs from other authors over there.
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It must be time to refill the coffers of The Brady Bunch with cash plucked from the pockets of a new crop of True Believers.

Think of this kind of reporting as a Sally Struthers commercial for the Brady Bunch set.
 
Following the money sounds like a great approach.

More and more I feel like the anti’s are getting their message across in a glossy HD DVD format with all the glitz and glam of Hollywood.

While we are only able to have a teenager on a skate board putting flyers on car windshields to get our message across.
 
I've seen the ad for the show. No need to wonder if it will be fair and balanced.

It showed small children playing with handguns, pointing the guns at themselves and others.

Looks like they will show everything we DON'T do to create a problem that must be solved "for the children".

I'm surprised there's no conservative billionaires supporting realistic depictions of gun owners on television.
 
20/20 Hit Piece on Guns Out Early

I guess ABC news is making a full court press for more gun control, especially with their piece out on Friday. :barf:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7297745&page=1

The two-year anniversary of Virginia Tech, the largest massacre by a sole gunman in the country's history, is only one week away.

Omar Samaha worked with ABC News to see how many guns he could buy at a gun show in one hour with $5,000.
(ABC News )In the two years since, what has changed, what has been fixed, and what has stayed exactly the same?

Watch the story Friday on "20/20" at 10 p.m. ET

Immediately following the tragedy, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine and other authorities called on lawmakers to close the so called "gun show loophole" -- by which anyone can buy a gun from a private dealer with no background check and no questions asked. Two years later, that loophole is still very much open, in Virginia and 32 other states around the country.

So just how easy is it to buy a gun at a gun show?

The Challenge: To Buy a Gun in One Hour

For over a year, ABC News has followed Omar Samaha on a very personal quest to hold those lawmakers to their word. Omar's sister Reema was one of 32 shot and killed at Virginia Tech. We went with Omar to a gun show in Richmond, Va. -- one of hundreds held every weekend across the state of Virginia and the country. We gave Samaha $5,000 and one hour to see how many guns he could buy, and how many questions he would be asked.


By 9:30 in the morning, the parking lot was already packed full of cars. Groups of men, couples and even families with children in tow streamed toward the quickly growing line out front. Samaha, 25, joined the crowds and while waiting on line, he was approached by a seller and given the opportunity to make a quick purchase. He bought a Glock handgun, with no background check, and no questions asked.


A Painful Purchase
"He was just sitting right outside the door, I went up to him. 'How much do you want for it?'

"'$450 bucks.'

'Here's the cash.'

'Thanks. See you later.'

"That was it."

For Samaha, the Glock handgun was a particularly painful purchase. It was the same kind of gun used to kill his sister Reema when she was a freshman at Virginia Tech. Just holding the gun in his hand was difficult.

"I don't want to think about how gruesome it was and how somebody used this type of weapon on my sister and so many other innocent people. It's devastating," he said.

Samaha walked back into the gun show, and within minutes he was out again, this time carrying a Colt AR 15, a semi-automatic assault weapon very similar to an M16. We asked if there were any questions asked.

"Nothing," he said. "I just went up, gave him cash. He's like, 'Cash is all you need.'"

Over the course of the hour, Samaha purchased 10 guns: three rifles, four shotguns, one handgun. He could have purchased many more handguns, but he wanted to abide by Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.


No Background Check Required
Samaha was never asked to fill out any type of background check. At one point he was asked to show identification. When Samaha said he didn't have any, the seller quickly relented, not wanting to lose a sale.

"He's like, 'Give me $100 more and I'll let you go and take the risk.' I got two guns for $600 without any identification check," Samaha said.

Not only did Samaha buy 10 guns in one hour with incredible ease and no questions, he could have turned around and sold those same guns right in the parking lot. In fact, while standing next to his trunk full of guns, Omar was approached by a man who thought he was a seller. Omar knew the gun show loophole existed, but he was still shocked by how easy it was for him to buy guns with no questions asked.

"Anybody can do it," Samaha said. "And it's for real. It's that easy. Anyone. Someone who's adjudicated mentally ill, someone who's a known felon. Someone who has a history of crime. I think people don't realize how easy it really is."

Lobbying Lawmakers
In fact, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) reports in their investigations that private sellers at gun shows are a major source of gun crime in the country. In the two years since Reema's death, Samaha has fought hard to get the loophole closed in his home state of Virginia.

He has lobbied lawmakers, spoken publicly about his sister and even launched an online campaign about the dangers of guns on campus. A law to close the gun show loophole has come up twice in the Virginia State legislature, and twice the body has voted against the bill, even though it was one of the key recommendations to come out of Kaine's Virginia Tech Review Panel.

When Virginia lawmakers voted against closing the loophole, Samaha was shocked. "It really made me wonder what kind of people we have making our laws," he said.

Among those who voted twice against closing the gun show loophole is state John S. Edwards, a Virginia Democrat who represents the district that includes Virginia Tech. After repeated attempts to reach Edwards, the state senator did not respond to calls from ABC News.

Gun rights groups don't want to see the loophole closed because they fear that background checks will hurt business at gun shows, and also threaten privacy rights. They also argue that the Virginia Tech shooter didn't buy his gun at a gun show. Seung Hui Cho bought his gun legally at a gun store even though he had a documented history of mental illness. That breakdown in the system was addressed immediately following Virginia Tech, but families of the victims argue that with the gun show loophole still open, it is just too easy to buy a gun with no questions asked.

For Samaha, it's not about the right to own a gun, it's about how easy it is for guns to end up in the wrong hands.

"We're not trying to keep guns out of the hands of good citizens. If you can pass a background check, which anyone can do in a matter of minutes, then you can buy guns," he said.

'None of Them Could Have Stopped Him'
Former ATF agent Gerald Nunziato was with Samaha at the gun show in Richmond, Va. With years of experience fighting gangs and drug organizations, Nunziato was all too familiar with the guns that Samaha bought.

"My experience as an agent in Detroit and Miami is that these guns [shotguns] would be sawed off at the barrel," he said. "They're a very high-powered scatter gun that's used a lot by drug gang members 'cause they're easy to get in and out of your car."

Even though Samaha immediately turned in all the weapons he bought at the gun show to the Richmond Police Department, Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.

"There were three or four police cars in the parking lot [at the gun show]. None of them could have stopped him [Samaha] with the firepower he bought," said Nunziato.

For Samaha, it's all about honoring his sister Reema's memory and working to prevent another tragedy from happening again.

"I think I'm doing something she would do," he said. "I think she would be proud of me and tell me to keep going."
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So, through the article with ABC news, Mr. Samaha has admitted that HE BROKE THE LAW and that somehow a new law will prevent him from doing that again?

These people are SO STUPID it is amazing to me that they have actually been able to achieve their financial/social status. :fire:
 
Many smart, rational people believe that guns are a different class of private property, subject to special rules.

They see nothing wrong with ALL transfers of firearms going through an FFL dealer for a NICS check.

The also dont consider or care that dealers are then free to refuse to process transfers, or charge whatever they like for the privilage.

They don't understand the limitations or care about them because unlike other civil rights, they have no desire to exercise this one.
 
In fact, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) reports in their investigations that private sellers at gun shows are a major source of gun crime in the country.
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I saw a trailer for this. They take the guy to a gun show. He buys a Glock FTF in the parking lot, and say "There's the gun show loophole."

Umm, no. That's the "gun show parking lot loophole".

I didn't see anything later where he might have actually gotten into the gun show.
 
I find it interesting that the former ATF agent believes that because Samaha has bought guns he could suddenly become unstoppable against three or four squad cars of police officers.

ABC News wasn't even trying to give a fair representation of the facts, they dedicate two sentences to the pro-rights side.

Interesting story, a man buys guns at a gun show, and -drumroll- nothing happens. How can this be? It must be stopped! You can't just have citizens exchanging private property amongst themselves. We must pass a law, that will keep all the criminals from buying guns from each other.
 
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Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.
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There is no rule on the amount of rifles you can buy at any time in VA infact all purchases were legal execpt they were straw purchases for 20/20
 
Funny how the tv crew waited for him to come back out in the parking lot. How do we know he didn't go inside and have to do background checks and there was no camera around to conveniently film it?
 
It makes me sick as well. One of many emotional lines of nonsense was the one "...even families with children..." were attending the show, as if it were a sinful event. I take my kids to shows, and even took my sons to the NRA annual convention in Louisville. Pretty insulting to insinuate that it is awful to go to a firearm show as a family. Heck, the dissolution of the family unit is what's hurting the US.

KK
 
The thing that all the news media overlook is really simple: All the transactions made were private sales between individuals. Even if you DID ban private sales without a background check, that law would be unenforceable.
 
Quote: "Where the hell is John Stossel? I'm sure they won't bother having him on for this crap because he knows better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

The idiots at ABC should know better, the produce the stuff Stossel has done. I don't get it. All the more reason to talk with or introduce new people to the 2nd amendment".

CAMSLAM,

Of course ABC knows better, but it doesn't fit their template (all guns are bad) so they fit the facts to support their "story" (more like propaganda). I have a family member who works in production at ABC for news & related like 20/20 for quite some time. John Stossel is hated by most of the on-air talent & cohorts, as well as a lot of upper management (per family member John is a great guy to work with). ABC only keeps him to pretend they are balanced (he almost bailed the other year when his contract was up to Fox, but ABC in the very last minute outbid them). That's it in a nutshell.
 
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