Another AK torture test....sort of

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Well folks, I got a Rom WASR-10 and not intentionaly I put it through a torture test.....

I bought this rifle about a year ago and through out the year I put around 4000 of the dirtiest, cheapest WOLF I could find (I figure its an Ak and Im on a budget) I know all about the importance of cleaning and maintaining a rifle but once again (its an AK, Im lazy and busy with more important AR's) So just a little wipe down inside and out with some lube its back in the safe.

Well I bought 1000 more today, about half way through the 1000........Yep you guessed it I got a problem.......the thing siezed up. I pulled, I kicked, I slammed the rifle against a wooden table. Not even a budge.

I'll fast forward through the details of the hammer, prybar and tons of CLP. The only thing....THE VERY ONLY THING that worked was WD-40:what:

I have never used WD-40 on a rifle and if I had to guess it would not be a good idea to do so. If I was not desperate I would not have done so. however now with a very good bath, oiled up and wiped down Im back to normal.

Now, anyone have any ideas if it was a good thing, bad thing, long term problems?
 
AKs need maintenance just like any other firearm.

They are very forgiving if you can't do regular maintenance, but will fail if maintenence is ignored.
 
Doesn't sound odd. Maybe crap just accumulated pretty darn quick. This is a WASR, not a military-grade weapon by many standards.

In the 2,000 I put through my WASR before I sold it, never cleaned it once, and I bought it used. Ran like a charm. But, there's the wonderful thing called "odds" and "probability".
 
I've got an AK with over 3,000 rounds through it, and it fires just as good as it did when it had 100 rounds through it. On this weapon, I give it the 15 second cleaning job...

AK's are like anything else...some work better than others, but they are all going to fail EVENTUALLY when maintenance isn't performed.
 
A romy is the bottom line ak it wont take much abuse you cant even shoot it to much cause then the paper thin receiver flexs and obstructs bolt function.
 
Minator A romy is the bottom line ak it wont take much abuse you cant even shoot it to much cause then the paper thin receiver flexs and obstructs bolt function.
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I know people who have melted handgards because then ran through 13-15 mags back to back to back. The gun would still shoot, it you could hold it up to shoot it.
 
Quick question. Did you pull on it, hit it, then slam it into a table. Because if you reverse that process it might not be the best indication of a malfunction.
 
Coulda been an out of spec round. I've found a few among the many AK74 rounds I've fired over the years.

The rifle might have been just fine.
 
Same problem with CZ 527 carbine

I had the same problem with a new bolt action CZ 527 carbine. The bolt froze up solid as if it had been welded shut, returned it to factory for repair. It had to be the cheap ammunition was not as soft of steel or out of tolerance. They are made to shoot the cheap ammo but I bought it to hunt so now I shoot quality brass ammo in it.
 
Just get that WD 40 out of there. The real issue with WD40 is that it's a penetrating oil. Can seep into primers and make duds.

But if you gave it a good cleaning with a purpose gun cleaning oil/solvent you're probably just fine.
 
I have a WASR 10 that has been 100% from the get go .. There are bad ones in every type of gun


Minator A romy is the bottom line ak it wont take much abuse you cant even shoot it to much cause then the paper thin receiver flexs and obstructs bolt function.
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Any proof of this claim??
 
WD-40 is decried because it's not generally a great lubricant. It can work in that role, but not especially well. It's not some mystical element that will cause your gun to shatter into a thousand pieces and make the universe implode on itself. Unless it was some priceless heirloom or a super high-end rifle of some sorts, I can't imagine that WD-40 would do much to it.
 
Mister PX, 16k man ya better share that with Colt! The army only requires 5K rounds for testing, so tell us what kinda ammo ya usin thats so clean ya can fire in excess of 5K rounds with zro carbon buildup in the reciever cause the Army has been looking for that ammo since the 70s....... the best Colt could get was 6300 rnds with milspec ammo....... ya have managed a miricle to say the least for ANY direct impingment gas system, just the fact your gas tube isn't restricted in itself is a miricle that lake city would really love to find out about!!! Cause so far a powder hasn't been found that will burn that clean in an M-16.......

Come share with us how this has been managed as none of the experts can even come close to your accomplishment...... thats kinda why the military is so big on supplyin pipe cleaners ;) ya might have figured away to save tax payers millions just in cleaning supplies alone since clearly you have proven they don't need that high dollar CLP etc...... hell ya've shown they don't need anything at all!!!!!! as usual the government is busted cold lyein to the tax payers!! I've had enough, if MR. PX can prove he can easily get a civilian AR 15 to go 16K without cleaning then we definetly need to point this out to Ron Paul as clearly the military needs its funding for weapons mainanence discontinued those $$ will be much better served with giving public school teachers a raise..... bring back after school activities etc...... come on people rise up MISTER PX has told us that an AR needs no cleaning so lets put an end to wasteful military spending!!!! no more M16 Cleaning kits!! oh wait........ thats what got all them soldiers killed in Vietnam wasn't it? ya know a lack of proper cleaning rods :banghead::D
 
Sorry misterPX but that is the biggest crock of bull**** I have ever heard. My friend's AR began to jammed after 700 rounds of no cleaning. Maybe with an AK.
 
I found a MSDS for WD-40 at this web site. http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_aerosol.us.pdf

Really does not tell me much other than it has a light volatile oil that evaporates leaving oil on the surface. A Dupont Chemist gave me the idea that what was left on the surface was Silicon, but that was based on his giving me a nod to my suggestion of Silicon.

He might have nodded if I suggested powdered sugar.

I have never used WD-40 as a cleaner, I know it was not designed to dissolve powder fouling, and there are better cheaper stuff for that. I don't even think it was designed to be a lubricant. Motor oil is better, cheaper stuff for that. It works well as a penetrating oil, and provides a light rust barrier.

It will not ruin the metal parts on your WASR, that's for sure.

It is interesting to read that a WASR-10 went 4500 rounds without a cleaning. Without a doubt the AK is a very robust design. Even so, I cleaned mine up after firing 60 rounds through it. And that is all the rounds that have been through it, there may be more in the future, but before I put up any firearm, it gets cleaned and oiled.

I am totally amazed by the number of folks who don't clean or lubricate their firearms. Firearms are mechanical devices and as such need to be cleaned and lubricated.
 
4500 rounds without cleaning sounds like a fib, but you have to remeber that AK's are certainly not indestructible and I am calling you out on some serious and potentially dangerous firearms maintenance neglect. I am extremely worried that you would keep not one but three guns that have more than 4000 rounds through them without cleaning. I know I posted a joke response on here earlier, but you can never be to careful when properly maintaining a firearm especially a mil spec semi-auto. I don't care what you've heard from AK fanboys or AR haters, but every gun needs to be cleaned on a regular basis for your safety and the well being of the gun. I would be very concerned if this was your home defense firearm that you failed to maintain. Just imagine what would happen if your life or the lives of your family was on the line and you couldn't use your WASR or AR because you failed to keep it in order. Furthermore, imagine how you would feel if a friend or family member was hurt or even killed while firing one of your guns because of a massive malfunction as a result of your negligenceI hope this serves as a reminder of the responsibility all gun owners have when they exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
 
The main reason WD 40 got a bad rep for gun is because it is a penetrate. It was killing the primers on the ammo. When it first came out,(yes I'm that old), people would come in for the field and just spray down their guns and leave them. It was the "wonder lube". When left for a long period of time, like from one hunting season to the next, it would form a shallac like goo, that was a pain to get off.

Y'all should note the Breakfree is also a penetrate.
 
You doubters should head over to AR15.com and search for my rifle. Never said it didn't have carbon, you inserted that statement.

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That's just one angle. Correct lubrication is the key, even with Wolf.


OK, how do I make a fullsize pic?
 
one of my AR's has 16K no cleaning

Thats about $5,000 in ammo through one gun .. If I calculated right ..
 
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