Yeah, you have to get very low on them, but I find it doable just not comfortable. To me it is a fine tradeoff for the lower cost, lower snagging, and quick takeup.
AR15 Back up iron sights - anyone try this?
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For $130 or so, you can get the JP Enterprises detachable short range sight.
You will also need an offset mount for it, but in my opinion it gives you the equivalent of a handgun sight(that you should be familiar with) on a rifle.
Yes, sight radius is short, but, it's purpose is short range tactical engagements with minute of mass accuracy and not long range moa.
I do not have one, but have been seriously thinking about this as the BUIS option on my one AR without BUIS.
http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.4.1_sights.php
You will also need an offset mount for it, but in my opinion it gives you the equivalent of a handgun sight(that you should be familiar with) on a rifle.
Yes, sight radius is short, but, it's purpose is short range tactical engagements with minute of mass accuracy and not long range moa.
I do not have one, but have been seriously thinking about this as the BUIS option on my one AR without BUIS.
http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.4.1_sights.php
kBob
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oldguy870,
Yes for 25 meters and under point shooting such as I suggested by mentioning Quick Skill and Quick Kill works. (if you have access to late '60s and early 70's Infantry Magazine you might find and article on it, first place I read of it I believe when the magazines were new) The Army even bought some special Daisy air "rifles" that had adult length stocks and no sights of any kind. I never got to use the air guns and the instruction I got was VERY abbreviated from the program that was developed. We trained with our issue M-16 A1 rifles with tape over the rear sight actually across the rear of the carrying handle and across the protective ears of the front sight.
Now that you are regularly hitting a paper plate, drop back to 5 yards and substitute an index card. As you get to hitting it move the target back to ten and start over, then 15 then 20 then 25. I think you will be surprised.
One of the reasons I was all hot for a .22 conversion device was to allow lots of cheap practice at this skill. Unfortunately the Olympic Arms conversion I bought has not performed reliably and I spend more time clearing malfunctions than shooting. As is I keep my hand in with an old Crossman AiR15 BB/pellet gun. Seems to transfer so I keep it up. Also it is convinent as the safety fan for low velocity BB shot is pretty short
I did not know about the rayethon anti RPG system but I am writing about a 1960's era shooting style.
Didn't the early ACOG scopes have a set of sights on them? Seems like a blade front and a peep rear and some knock offs had open rear and blade front IIRC. I recall ages ago Millet made a set of 1 inch rings that had their pistol sights on them set high enough to look over a 35mm scope objective and a normal height elevation turret. Seemed like a good idea to me at the time.
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Yes for 25 meters and under point shooting such as I suggested by mentioning Quick Skill and Quick Kill works. (if you have access to late '60s and early 70's Infantry Magazine you might find and article on it, first place I read of it I believe when the magazines were new) The Army even bought some special Daisy air "rifles" that had adult length stocks and no sights of any kind. I never got to use the air guns and the instruction I got was VERY abbreviated from the program that was developed. We trained with our issue M-16 A1 rifles with tape over the rear sight actually across the rear of the carrying handle and across the protective ears of the front sight.
Now that you are regularly hitting a paper plate, drop back to 5 yards and substitute an index card. As you get to hitting it move the target back to ten and start over, then 15 then 20 then 25. I think you will be surprised.
One of the reasons I was all hot for a .22 conversion device was to allow lots of cheap practice at this skill. Unfortunately the Olympic Arms conversion I bought has not performed reliably and I spend more time clearing malfunctions than shooting. As is I keep my hand in with an old Crossman AiR15 BB/pellet gun. Seems to transfer so I keep it up. Also it is convinent as the safety fan for low velocity BB shot is pretty short
I did not know about the rayethon anti RPG system but I am writing about a 1960's era shooting style.
Didn't the early ACOG scopes have a set of sights on them? Seems like a blade front and a peep rear and some knock offs had open rear and blade front IIRC. I recall ages ago Millet made a set of 1 inch rings that had their pistol sights on them set high enough to look over a 35mm scope objective and a normal height elevation turret. Seemed like a good idea to me at the time.
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wally
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The reviews aren't very good.
I've got similar from Sportman's Guide:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/sniper-45-rapid-transition-set.aspx?a=1311701
In my testing the front sight appears to be too short for gas block and too tall for same plane on a 16" gun.
I've a set of these on my SIG DMS that has a full length rail:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006X9DLQM/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk
They zeroed easily at 50 yards, but don't fold down, given the gun also has a bi pod and a large scope I've not had any issues with snagging.
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Years ago there was an outfit that made a flip-up cover for the front of the ACOG that allowed you to shoot it as an occluded-eye gun sight.
I found that it worked reasonably well out to about 30 yards.
So far as I know, though, the company that made them went under.
I found that it worked reasonably well out to about 30 yards.
So far as I know, though, the company that made them went under.
The ACOGs we had back in 1-5 Inf back in 02-03 had irons atop the scope.
At very close range, you don't "point shoot", you swing your weapon up until the front sight covers the target, and squeeze the trigger. I have put rounds into hundreds of targets' kill zones using this method, but it is meant for close range, say 6 meters or less.
John
At very close range, you don't "point shoot", you swing your weapon up until the front sight covers the target, and squeeze the trigger. I have put rounds into hundreds of targets' kill zones using this method, but it is meant for close range, say 6 meters or less.
John
USPS has apparently lost my sights so I have no idea if they work or not 
C-grunt
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This is the same as we did in 1/30 Inf. Just look over the ACOG and use the front sight base. It definitely works at close range.
Back to the drawing board those sights DO NOT FIT my Model One Sales front sight block.
They were also quite a bit larger/bulkier than I imagined.
Anyone try a bead/blade aligned with the 'sight tunnel' under a scope as a de facto close range peep sight? Just a LOW post mounted on the fsb or on the last few rail segments on the flat top?
Any thoughts?
They were also quite a bit larger/bulkier than I imagined.
Anyone try a bead/blade aligned with the 'sight tunnel' under a scope as a de facto close range peep sight? Just a LOW post mounted on the fsb or on the last few rail segments on the flat top?
Any thoughts?
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That sounds like a good idea for quick back up sights for your magnified Burris. If, you can get your head low enough on the stock to see through that hole.
I didn't say it was easy. I think the idea is sound.. was wondering if anyone makes a low profile LOW profile sight blade/pin.
I think the idea is sound.. was wondering if anyone makes a low profile LOW profile sight blade/pin.gunownerz
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My brother has done something similar. A simple fix for this issue.
Curious, why do you only do 10yd shots?
Ok this was my solution.. a low mount front sight from Ultimate Arms Gear via Tactical Sales on Amazon. $25. I figured the pin COULD be shortened on the threaded end, but after checking with a laser, it's good to go at 50 yards.
It will take some getting used to but now I HAVE back up sight and I didn't before.
It will take some getting used to but now I HAVE back up sight and I didn't before.
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He's a mean machine! I loved the "Sons of Guns" episode where he was almost as fast as a full auto AK.
I think there would be a huge market for a backup sight system for the ACOG that attaches to the side of the scope. It could be attached using the "sight tunnel" in your picture. The way I envision it, you would still have to roll your gun to the side to use it. But, it would have a much shorter sight radius and be supported entirely on the ACOG and not need any rail space on the gun.
It would be a 20 yard sight for up close dynamic targets.
It would be a 20 yard sight for up close dynamic targets.
Armson OEG @ 45 degree offset.
http://www.armsonusa.com/aroegmaxdut1.html
From the ACOG cheekweld position, roll the rifle to acquire the red dot, keeping both eyes open. Its fast, plenty accurate out to 50 yards, and has no buttons to turn press or batteries to replace.
Not cheap, but not expensive either. I used to use them for paintball (many years ago) so I konw its rugged.
http://www.armsonusa.com/aroegmaxdut1.html
From the ACOG cheekweld position, roll the rifle to acquire the red dot, keeping both eyes open. Its fast, plenty accurate out to 50 yards, and has no buttons to turn press or batteries to replace.
Not cheap, but not expensive either. I used to use them for paintball (many years ago) so I konw its rugged.
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