Are You Comfortable With Face To Face Transactioins?

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On a side note I always get kind of a laugh out of human nature – you see people all day long giving out there names, numbers & addresses to sell cars, motorcycles, furniture and so on but the second a gun is mentioned for sale people clam up - they don’t want to give out any info and become paranoid. :D I guess guns just have that nature about them…
 
I also want to say a Cheers to all the fellow New Mexicans who I've dealt with and have always had smooth transactions. We have some of the best responsible gun owners around.
 
Generally speaking, I am okay with the idea. In fact, I recently sold a handgun this very same way.

I, like you, felt initially hesitant about the idea. In order to assuage my concerns I did the following: met the potential buyer at a familiar location (in this case, outside of my local gun range), had a friend accompany me, had 2 "unofficial" printed documents which contained the date of sale, what I was selling, who I was selling it to, etc., along with a "disclaimer" acknowledging that upon sale, I was no longer responsible for how the weapon was to be used....this, of course, was signed by both myself and the buyer, along with my friend (as a witness to the transaction). Also, since I "met" this individual on a weapons forum, I saved all conversations between myself and this individual, regarding the sale.

In addition, I requested the buyer bring a printed copy of a current drivers license (for verification purposes) and insisted that this be further verified by showing me the actual license. I, in turn, showed him my license so he could verify that I was legit and old enough to sell such a weapon.

All of this information I still keep and will always keep. Official? Maybe not. Useful? Definitely.

Thing is, selling a gun this way [to a stranger] certainly brings up several concerns. But, I generally think that it can be safely done, given the necessary precautions. Outside of that, there is not much one can do other than to simply go through a recognized FFL dealer.

Would I always do a "face to face" transaction? Probably not. It really depends on the situation.

Keep in mind, this is only how I personally approach such situations; hence, it is not "law." Some of the suggestions here were simply mentioned to me by various individuals who happen to be in law enforcement.
 
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Okay, then help me with this. Is there anything I should keep in mind, of a legal nature, if I sell FTF in Missouri. It seems that maybe the laws have changed in the last few years that make it easier. It used to be the buyer had to have a permit form the local sheriff.
 
Okay, then help me with this. Is there anything I should keep in mind, of a legal nature, if I sell FTF in Missouri. It seems that maybe the laws have changed in the last few years that make it easier. It used to be the buyer had to have a permit form the local sheriff.

Honestly, I cannot say. I do not live in Missouri. I live in Oklahoma. Check your local laws (local PD or local FFL holder would be a good start).

Take for instance, a gun show. I have seen several individuals walk out with a purchased weapon, needing nothing more than a valid license and a few signatures. But, therein lies the so-called "gun show" loophole (which, by the way, I have no real issue with). How this translates in to a single individual selling a weapon to someone else, I do not know.

Regardless, I am no lawyer; therefore I wont pretend to offer legal counsel. My previous post simply listed various considerations and criteria I used in a previous, "unofficial" weapon sale. Now, if I were not legally able to sell such a weapon, I would be in a bad situation. But, since this was not the case, I did what I could to at least ensure I was selling the gun to a "legal" buyer. If the buyer had not agreed to my methods, then I would have suggested we walk on in to the gun shop and make this "official;" with the buyer paying all transfer fees.


At this rate we are going to end up here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B5NMN7GBA4

Funny video. However, a bit trite given the topic at hand. Selling a weapon is serious, particularly if going outside a recognized FFL dealer.
 
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I have never had a problem, you have to be very careful though. Many years ago my trim guy got into trouble doing a FTF. He made a few mistakes, number 1 met the guy inside his house in a shady area. Number 2 was he brought a loaded mag for the gun. He said the guy took the mag and before he could react had it cock and pointing at his head.
 
Agreed.

Whatever you do, do not meet the potential buyer at your home or his/hers. Meet at a public location (preferably near a local FFL dealer, should this become necessary) and bring a friend along. Oh...and make sure that gun is unloaded!

To add to my previous post, regardless of what anyone thinks, signatures, witnesses, declarations and multiple copies can go a long way if one chooses to avoid the FFL route. But, the bottom line is to be smart about selling a weapon this way and try to leave no proverbial stone unturned.
 
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did you include your constraints on selling when you advertised those firearms? If not then it proves nothing, only that the inconvenience and additional expense were less of an inconvenience than being a deal breaker. Personally if I had to go to an FFL to get a transfer on a private sale then I'm going direct to an FFL, that way if the firearm is faulty (and not bought as is) I have recourse to that business, and I know that any legal issues (for instance accidentally buying a stolen firearm) falls more on the FFL than on me.

yup, stated all of my conditions for selling my firearms. I recently nixed an in state buyer who wanted to just do an exchange without going through a dealer. So I am willing to nix deals from in-state residents who do not want to go through a FFL transfer. As I said before, I do not know anything about Joe Blow's background so best to be safe.

If I bought a gun from a FFL and something was wrong with it, guess what? The FFL sends it to the factory for warranty work (if still in warranty) or to be fixed at my cost (if used and out of warranty). So your point on that is moot.
 
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