Questions about selling my gun face to face

[Shootcraps]

I live in Virginia, and I have two requirements to sell a gun to someone:

1. Cash
2. Valid Virginia Driver's License.

If they don't have both of those, then forget it.


If they want a bill of sale:


I, Shootcraps hereby sell one S&W Model XX .357Magnum revolver, serial number #XXXXXX in ASIS condition to:

Buyer:
Address:

for the amount of $xxx.xx.

Seller Signature & Date________________

I certify that by signing below, I am legally able to purchase firearms in the state of Virginia.

Buyer Signature & Date________________

And we each sign both copies. Of the guns I've sold recently, they also showed me their CCL, which makes me more comfortable.

 

[p35]

Most of the "for sale" ads I see in the local paper require the buyer to have a CCW. Easy to get here, and it shows that you have a clean record. Makes sense to me.

 

[GILROY]

I like to have at least a couple of pistols and one crowd controller with no paper trail to me. I suggest you get one that way while you can. I have sold a few that way as well. I generally ask to see a drivers license and usually require a CCW as well. I did have my dealer say the Feds pulled one of my yellow papers for one I sold that way about a year ago. I never heard from them. If thet do call, then tell them you sold it face to face to a Ga. resident with no record which is perfectly legal, and they must go away, eventually.

 

[efeng9622]

I still have some questions,
1) If the buyer and me both signed on the agreement and the agreement has these items: “ I have never been convicted of a felony or the………………………………….” I sold my gun to him. But sometimes later, something happen and the buyer is found he is not a person who is allowed to own a gun . Do I need to take responsibility for selling the gun to him?
2) If the buyer refuse to put his home address on the agreement and only agree to put his Driver license # and phone # ( or work address) on there, Can I sell my gun to him?
3) If the buyer agree to put his home address on the agreement, Do I also need to put my home address on there ?

 

[Buck Snort]

I live in the PRC so its a mute question but even if I lived in Va. I'd just flat PASS on selling a gun to a private individual, even a friend. If that cost me a friendship then so be it. All my guns will be inherited by somebody and then I won't have to be worrying about it.

 

[Shootcraps]

1. No. There is no requirement to do a background check on a private transaction in VA. If he lies on your form, that's his problem.

2. You can, but I'd be suspicious. You're already looking at his license to get the number. I don't get the number, I just get their address.

3. No.

 

[efeng9622]

about 3) If buyer gave to me his address but I refuse to give to him my address,he asks me why, how can I explain to him?
In general speaking , after the gun is sold, only the buyer will need to contact seller for returning or asking some questions, seller doesn't need to contact buyer.

 

[f4t9r]

Follow your States gun law and dont put anything on paper that not required

 

[efeng9622]

Hi!
I am sorry I checked Virginia gun law, but I coundn't find any item about" in state sell gun face to face", would you please tell me how I can find it.
Thanks!

Efang

 

[Hobie]

Copying a VA driver's license is ILLEGAL.

Look at the license to see that he is a qualified owner, i.e. don't sell a handgun to a minor. Don't know him? I'd ask around. If he has a CCW or military ID I wouldn't worry about it, he's been checked out thoroughly! Do a bill of sale. Protects you if it is stolen from him/her and misused. Can't hurt anyone in any case. File it away with your personal firearm records (you do have these for insurance purposes, right?) Aside from him handing you what you want for the gun, that's it.

You're lucky, this ain't California.

I'd take a friend's check, but most folks would need cash or the required trade items, no IOUs.

 

[sturmruger]

I like to buy guns at the gun shows. You know there is this great big "gun show loophole" and I exploit it whenever I can. I have bought guns from dealers and from private sellers. I have also bought a few guns right here in WI. I never met the person, but sent them a copy of my MN carry permit with my DL and they FEDEXD me the gun! Since we are in the same state it was 100% legal. Buying in state is so easy here in WI.

 

[Rockstar]

I've done a few ftf deals. Only paper involved were greenbacks. I've only done deals, however, with folks I know. I just wouldn't do business with a total stranger. If somebody stuck a 4473 in my face in a private transaction, I'd just laugh in his face and leave.

Maybe I'm not paranoid enough (is that possible?), but I'm not the least bit concerned about any liability, criminal or civil, if somebody uses a firearm that I once owned in a crime. What difference would it make to me if the gun is traced to me, any more than if it had been traced to an FFL?

 

[efeng9622]

Majic and Shootcraps,

I just want to make sure if I can sell a handgun face to face without any paper in Virginia and it is legal. Of course I will create a bill. I checked www.firearmslawcenter.org/states/virginia.asp
,but I couldn't find which item mention about that. If you know , please let me
know because it is very important for me. I am going to sell a handgun soon.
Thanks!

Efang

 

[Shootcraps]

I think we've explained it pretty well so far. :banghead:

If you need more assurance, go and ask a gun dealer.

 

[efeng9622]

Shootcraps,

Thank you very much!

Efang

 

[solareclipse]

there is always the chance of selling to a felon. ask them where (what range etc) they intend to shoot them. if they seem lost at the question, explore some more... it is rude to ask someone who looks 50 for an id but you can get away with younger folks...

record the serial # of the firearm and date of transfer. that should be all to keep you legal.

 

[efeng9622]

I just want to ask one more question . I immigrated to U.S 12 years ago, I am not familiar with U.S law, so I like to see anything on the paper.

Virginia Gun law said: " No state permit is required to otherwise purchase
or possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun..........."

Does that mean " sell or purchase gun face to face without any paper in state" is legal?

 

[HaroldOhio]

Why go to more work than is necessary. Why ask for more information than needed. I would be helpful to list what state your in that requires a bill of sale in private transactions.

Ohio private sales requires that both parties be a resident of Ohio. All you have to do is ask, no proof is needed. Why would I want additional information. I plan on purchasing (private sale) an AK-47 SAR-1 this coming weekend at a local gun show.

I'll ask the seller one question, are you a resident of Ohio. Then I'll hand him the cash and walk away.

If the seller were an FFL the rules would be different.

 

[middy]

I mostly agree with Derek. But, if you want to cover your butt, just get them to sign a disclaimer that they are legally eligible to purchase a firearm in your state (print name, signature, and date). I would ask to see an ID, just to verify their age and state of residence. Just glance at the birthdate. It wouldn't kill the deal for me if they didn't show an ID, though, as long as they looked of age.

That should be all that is needed for proof of good faith in the purchaser's eligibility.

Don't record their address, driver's license number, phone number, etc.; unless required to by state law. That's just creepy.

 

[efeng9622]

I think if I sell a gun to someone by sending to a FFL dealer ( to a out state person) , this will be more safer than I sell to a instate person by “ face to face” , because if something happen in future , suppose I used FFL dealer, the PD will investigate dealer first and than maybe investigate me later, but if I used “face to face”, the PD only can investigate me.
Is my opinion correct or these two have no different?