Assault Weapons:Lethal and Plentiful

[Winchester 73]

That can't help themselves.More Editorial Page lies about these evil,demonic,cop killer weapons from the Miami Herald.

Lethal and plentiful
OUR OPINION: CONGRESS SHOULD REINSTATE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
Posted on Mon, Jan. 28, 2008
After Congress adopted a ban on 19 types of rapid-fire assault weapons and numerous copy-cat weapons in 1994, crimes involving these weapons dropped by almost 66 percent over the next six years. In the year after the ban took effect, murders of police officers by suspects using assault weapons dropped to zero from 16 in the year before the ban. Yet, when the ban came up for renewal in 2004, neither Congress nor President Bush lifted a finger to keep it alive.

That could help explain why South Florida is one of a few metropolitan areas in the country where AK-47s and their ilk are now criminals' weapon of choice. Of the 69 police officers killed in the United States last year, only one was killed with an assault weapon -- Miami-Dade officer Jose Somohano. Less than a month into 2008, an assault weapon was used to slay Miami Detective James Walker. Miami Police Chief John Timoney says that the rapid-firing guns have ''become ubiquitous'' here. A sorry distinction for this community.

Anyone without a felony record, history of domestic violence or mental-health problem can buy an assault weapon in Florida. It's that simple.

According to crime experts, those who aren't supposed to own these weapons can easily obtain them through straw purchases. Someone who is eligible to buy the guns sells them to those who aren't.

Since so many assault weapons are already in circulation, eradicating them is nearly impossible. But we could stop the future flow if Congress felt enough pressure from fed-up constituents to reinstate the assault-weapons ban. With two officers slain within months by killers using these extralethal firearms, South Florida should be leading the charge to revive the ban and begin to get these weapons off our streets.



http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/story/396111.html

 

[Guitargod1985]

Wow. You know how many misleading statements/phrases and lies I found? Fourteen of them! And I may have come up short of the actual total.

After Congress adopted a ban

Here we go. It wasn't a "ban." It didn't force anyone to turn anything in. It was a prohibition on the manufacture of these items.

rapid-fire

Lie

assault weapons

Oh, so the semiauto Kalashnikov (that I use to hunt hogs) that has a similar action to many autoloading hunting weapons is an assault weapon? Misleading at best.

crimes involving these weapons dropped by almost 66 percent over the next six years.

This one sounds to me like a statistic that has been molded to fit the arguer's position. Misleading.

In the year after the ban took effect, murders of police officers by suspects using assault weapons dropped to zero from 16 in the year before the ban.

Oh, 1995? Wow, that's the same year that six additional states became shall-issue, and the year before at least four became shall issue. Perhaps this had as much of an effect on the reduction of crime? No proof of cause by either factor.

Neither Congress nor President Bush lifted a finger to keep it alive.

That's another lie. Plenty of congress critters voted for this ill-conceived crock. And the President explicitly stated that he would sign it if Congress sent it to him for approval. Was he supposed to will it onto his desk or something?

areas in the country where AK-47s

*BUZZ* Wrong again, Mr. reporter. They are not "AK-47s." AKs have full auto capability, hence the "A." What scares you is that they look like one.

are now criminals' weapon of choice

Lie. Actually, it would be anything that fires a bullet. Preferably something cheap and easily concealed. Not a Kalashnikov.

Miami Police Chief John Timoney says that the rapid-firing guns

Lie. I'm glad that Chief John Timoney is so educated and up to speed on everything.

'become ubiquitous'' here.

That's odd. I've never even seen a full-auto gun in person and I've been on several trips to Miami.

Anyone without a felony record, history of domestic violence or mental-health problem can buy an assault weapon in Florida. It's that simple.

Eeh, not quite. That leaves out anyone who is not at least 18 years of age, non- US residents, and those who can't afford it.

reinstate the assault-weapons ban

There's the "ban" misnomer again.

these extralethal firearms

You know, I didn't realize that my 7.62x39 firearms were extralethal. Perhaps I should use them for deer hunting iinstead of a .30-06.

begin to get these weapons off our streets.

Flawed logic. Criminals wil get them anyway. Or make them. Seriously, supposing semiautos were completely banned, wouldn't a criminal then just track down or manufacture a full auto since there is a penalty for either?

 

[DougDubya]

Honestly, HOW CAN THEY TELL THESE LIES? Every study of firearms related crime shows that the percentage of so-called "assault weapons" used is LESS THAN ONE PERCENT!

RIPE, STEAMY PASTURE PATTIES!

 

[Guitargod1985]

How can they tell these lies? Because they either:

A) are supremely ignorant

B) have absolutely no moral compass and want to misinform others so as to further their statist political agenda

It's usually some combination of the two.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Anyone without a felony record, history of domestic violence or mental-health problem can buy an assault weapon in Florida. It's that simple.

We must still be in America.

 

[gunNoob]

I need to get an "assault rifle" before they get taken away...

 

[NG VI]

sounds like machine guns and assault rifles are mad cheap in southern florida.

whoever is in south florida, head on down to the gas station for me and pick me up a P90, an F2000, a UMP, .40 and .45, an MP5/10, SCAR-H, and a Tavor. oh and i'll also need ACU patterned Steyr AUG. thanks bro

 

[Prince Yamato]

Why not flood the paper with letters? If they printed any other lie of this magnitude, people would be up in arms.

 

[Bitmap]

My lament is that they aren't plentiful enough.

 

[RLsnow]

Anyone without a felony record, history of domestic violence or mental-health problem can buy an assault weapon in Florida. It's that simple.

bucky lastard

 

[benEzra]

If you look through the comments, they are getting owned...

 

[Eric F]

This thread ranks up there with WHAT EVER!

What I mean to say is I see these posts every day on THR and then the common responce of

I need to get an "assault rifle" before they get taken away...

or

How can they tell these lies?

and

Why not flood the paper with letters?

We all know 90% of the media is against the average Joe especialy if Joe has a gun. As far as sending letters great idea but it is only worth mentioning if folks will do it. I have before if it strikes me as doing good or having an effect other than open read and trash.

whats the point in posting this stuff we can gripe all we want here and it has no effect on our daily lives because the folks that need to see this complaining arnt going to log on here and read it. So lets all take a minute instead of responding in the standard way and build an intelligent email and send it to the paper instead of moaning and groaning to each other.

 

[USAFNoDAk]

whats the point in posting this stuff we can gripe all we want here and it has no effect on our daily lives because the folks that need to see this complaining arnt going to log on here and read it. So lets all take a minute instead of responding in the standard way and build an intelligent email and send it to the paper instead of moaning and groaning to each other.


There is a movie starring John Wayne titled "Rio Lobo". Jack Elam plays an old man who the corrupt sheriff and his thugs are trying to run off of his land. The Duke and several others come to Elams aid. Elam carries a side by side shotgun. They get into a gun fight with the Sheriff and his gang. Elam is firing his shotgun at the bad guys, though they are out of shotgun range. So the Duke yells at him; "That scatter gun is useless at this range". Elam snaps back, "You don't mind if I shoot do ya? It makes me feel better."

I write letters to the editor but also post here because it makes me feel better. Besides, not all of the postings here are whining and crying. Some are extremely informative. But you need a little variety to keep it entertaining as well.

 

[Soybomb]

Wow the miami herald sure is non-stop about this. Have they ever published any counter letters?

 

[Winchester 73]

Wow the miami herald sure is non-stop about this. Have they ever published any counter letters?

Yes they do.But generally speaking anti-gun letters will outnumber pro-gun letters 3 to 1 on the paper's Letters to the Editor section.
Sometimes they seem to try to have balance.A pro-gun letter I had published a year ago had 2 positive and only one negative responses printed.
You never know with the Herald.

 

[serrano]

I'm pretty new here - so I think I'm just missing the "Letter Writers Club" thread that lists these garbage articles as they come up for all interested to write them and then post their letters for everyone's benefit. Can someone point me in the right direction?

 

[keeleon]

Anyone without a felony record, history of domestic violence or mental-health problem can buy an assault weapon in Florida. It's that simple.

According to crime experts, those who aren't supposed to own these weapons can easily obtain them through straw purchases.

Talk about a faulty conclusion. So the author is inferring that honest law abiding citizens are buying these guns and simply handing them over to people who are using them to kill cops? I am very good, honest, law abiding citizen, and I have never even had dealings with the kind of people that would ask me to buy them a gun to shoot cops with.

Someone who is eligible to buy the guns sells them to those who aren't.

Thus making them CRIMINALS! If only there were some law against doing THAT! Or maybe if there were a law against shooting cops. Hell, if shooting cops is ok, maybe just a law against shooting them with anything that has the physical characteristics of what some politician calls an "assault rifle". I gaurantee if they make it illegal, people will stop doing it. Right?

Of the 69 police officers killed in the United States last year, only one was killed with an assault weapon

Miami Police Chief John Timoney says that the rapid-firing guns have ''become ubiquitous'' here

So out of the WHOLE DAM US, 1 cop was killed with an "assault rifle", and that means they are out of control? HUH?? So what exacly do the terms "extralethal" and "rapid-fire" mean? If I can fire 5 shots in 8 seconds with my pump shotgun, does that make it "rapid-fire"? Were the bullets being fired out of the "AK-47s" coated with anthrax?

Lethal = you die
Extra = more
Extra lethal = you die more? So they kill your soul and stop you from moving on to where ever?

Sorry, that just got me really frustrated, and I had to get that out. I may just send this exact message to the paper too.

 

[3/325]

I'm pretty new here - so I think I'm just missing the "Letter Writers Club" thread that lists these garbage articles as they come up for all interested to write them and then post their letters for everyone's benefit. Can someone point me in the right direction?

That's not a half-bad idea, actually. A forum strictly for the posting of published editorials/letters so that people on this board can respond if they choose.

I like to read these threads because 1) I like to see what kind of propoganda, misinformation, and panicky non-reasoning is floating around out there; and 2) I like to read the refutations of those more learned than I, particularly regarding history and statistics.

I learn quite a bit from THR and similar boards, not because I accept each posting as Gospel, but because many people quote sources that I can investigate on my own. A good deal of that happens in threads like this one.

Finally, this is a discussion board. Post a topic, and those who are interested will discuss. Those who are not will click something else, hopefully.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Guitargod, did you post that on the comments section of the newspaper's website? Try to find an e-mail address too. Abuse of power of this magnitude makes me disappointed in the human race.

 

[Winchester 73]

Try to find an e-mail address too.

[email protected]

300 words or less.Keep it pithy!

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

A question for all of the gun supporters here.
Which well organazied militia do you belong to?
If you are not in the national guard or the reserves you have no constitutioal right to firearms. It is a privilage not a right and if
banning certain high volume weapons makes the majority of us happy you are out of luck.

Posted by: JOHN H

1/29/2008 12:58 PM
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That's one of the recent comments. Man I wish ignorance was painful.

The good news is I think people (your average non-gun owner) are waking up to the liberal scaremongering tactics that 99% of the media outlets are shoveling.

 

[ZeSpectre]

if banning certain high volume weapons makes the majority of us happy you are out of luck.

A perfect example of why I thank God and the Founders that we live in a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy (Mob-ocracy).

 

[Dope]

I'm still laughing at the term "extralethal".

If 7.62x39 is extralethal, what does that make the dozens and dozens (hundreds?) of more powerful rifle rounds out there? Superduperlethal?

Dope

 

[AndyC]

"Prepare ship for Ludicrous Speed!"

 

[Guitargod1985]

Guitargod, did you post that on the comments section of the newspaper's website?

Yeah, I just did.