Baldwin to be charged with manslaughter

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Shocking in a way but appropriate. There was another NM case that occurred around the same time as the Rust incident and which involved a young Hispanic man who accidentally shot his grandfather with a handgun that he thought was unloaded as they drove to the shooting range. He was charged with manslaughter as well. It would have been pretty "'unequitable" to give Baldwin a pass after that in my opinion. Plus, maybe we'll actually get some answers. Who put the live rounds in that gun? and when? and why?
 
Rubone said:
I think it is deserved. And especially after he refused to accept any responsibility and instead pointed at everyone else. Hopefully privilege won't get him off.
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DM~ said:
The armorer got charged too.

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Both at Fault but it’s the Armorer’s job to make sure the Firearms are safe to handle. But, let’s wait for the trial to hear evidence and testimonies. My guest is that someone snuck live ammo on set!
 
This, according to the NYT article: "In the aftermath of the shooting, the authorities found five additional live rounds on the set, including on top of the cart where props were kept and in a belt that Mr. Baldwin was wearing as a costume piece."
If it's true, that is negligence and stupidity simply beyond human levels. You just don't do that on a movie set, never.
 
Remember OJ?

Don't bet on any real justice. Scumbag Baldwin DESERVES a guilty verdict and punishment. I hope the civil suits that follow wipe him out.

Gross negligence beyond GROSS or .....
intentional murder, planned to claim "accident", plausible deniability?

The truth will not come out. They are professional liars.
 
I'm not one to wish bad things on people but from what we know at this time the charges seem appropriate. Maybe we will hear the rest of the story as the trial progresses.
 
I am in no way a fan of Alec Baldwin as a person, but I don't see how it was his responsibility as an actor to ensure the rounds the armorer/prop master loaded in the gun were not live rounds. On the flip side, as he was a producer of the movie then perhaps some of the improprieties on set that ended up resulting in this fiasco could be attributed to his negligence. Were I a juror in this case I would not vote to convict him of manslaughter for the shooting as an actor.

Does anyone know exactly what the charge against him reads? That might affect my decision.
 
Mizar said:
This, according to the NYT article: "In the aftermath of the shooting, the authorities found five additional live rounds on the set, including on top of the cart where props were kept and in a belt that Mr. Baldwin was wearing as a costume piece."
If it's true, that is negligence and stupidity simply beyond human levels. You just don't do that on a movie set, never.
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I am biased in favor of Thell Reed and hate that the family name is involved in any of this. Reports make it sound as though blanks, dummies, and live rounds were mixed together and all over the place, though. If that turns out to be true, then Hannah Reed has to answer for it.
 
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I am in no way a fan of Alec Baldwin as a person, but I don't see how it was his responsibility as an actor to ensure the rounds the armorer/prop master loaded in the gun were not live rounds. On the flip side, as he was a producer of the movie then perhaps some of the improprieties on set that ended up resulting in this fiasco could be attributed to his negligence. Were I a juror in this case I would not vote to convict him of manslaughter for the shooting as an actor.

Does anyone know exactly what the charge against him reads? That might affect my decision.
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Sort of a tough call. I know that "the way it works" on set is that the armorer prepares the guns and hands them to the actors, who then do as they are told. Few if any actors will check the gun, and in many cases wouldn't be allowed to, so the actor really has no liability. A catch here is that the actor was also in charge of the whole thing, so may be liable for someone else's mistake.

I personally don't trust anyone enough that I would allow them to hand me a gun and have me shoot someone with it, so am offended by the whole thing.
 
citizenconn said:
I am in no way a fan of Alec Baldwin as a person, but I don't see how it was his responsibility as an actor to ensure the rounds the armorer/prop master loaded in the gun were not live rounds. On the flip side, as he was a producer of the movie then perhaps some of the improprieties on set that ended up resulting in this fiasco could be attributed to his negligence. Were I a juror in this case I would not vote to convict him of manslaughter for the shooting as an actor.

Does anyone know exactly what the charge against him reads? That might affect my decision.
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If a trained, certified professional firearm instructor handed you a gun and said "yup it's empty"... would you not still clear it before treating it as truly empty?

I trust nobody in that regard, and neither should've Baldwin. He was clearly negligent, as was the set armorer
 
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If a trained, certified professional firearm instructor handed you a gun and said "yup it's empty"... would you not still clear it before treating it as truly empty?

I trust nobody in that regard, and neither should've Baldwin. He was clearly negligent, as was the set armorer
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Probably not if I were a Hollywood actor on a set where they are supposed to have a specialist whose job it is to handle this. I disagree that as an actor he was negligent. There are many instances in life when a trained professional tells us to do something and as laymen we do it without checking their work. Now him as a producer of the movie, that might be a different story.
 
citizenconn said:
Probably not if I were a Hollywood actor on a set where they are supposed to have a specialist whose job it is to handle this. I disagree that as an actor he was negligent. There are many instances in life when a trained professional tells us to do something and as laymen we do it without checking their work. Now him as a producer of the movie, that might be a different story.
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I see both sides, and both arguments come up. In this case, it was a real gun though, and there were real bullets on set - something Baldwin knew too. If it were a fake gun, that would be a different story.

Since we all love/hate car analogies... Imagine a Hollywood set where the standard is to use fake cars, or perhaps real cars but no gasoline on set. Now picture a set where real cars are allowed, and everyone is aware this particular car had gasoline in it. You can't be totally surprised if the car starts. Once gasoline has been allowed on set, and this car has been known the run, the level of checking should go up to 11.

I only give Baldwin a pass if there wasn't live ammo within miles of the set.
 
valnar said:
I see both sides, and both arguments come up. In this case, it was a real gun though, and there were real bullets on set - something Baldwin knew too.
I only give Baldwin a pass if there wasn't live ammo within miles of the set.
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I had not read that Baldwin was aware there was live ammo on the set. That would definitely change my opinion. In the interviews he has given that is never mentioned by him. Of course he still claims he never pulled the trigger. :confused:
 
Seems appropriate that he is charged. No intent to kill but just plain vanilla stupid. I saw another video of him waving a gun around carelessly and someone telling him to knock it off.
 
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