"Ban Assault Clips!"

[Shadow 7D]

applying rational though and argumentation to someone who believe and cherishes an irrational thought usually doesn't work...

 

[rem22long40x]

I've never seen a clip assault any body , have you ? guns and clips don't kill people , people kill people!!!!

 

[exavid]

I had clips for my old 1903 Springfield but usually just loaded the magazine by hand. I've never tried to assault anyone with the clips, first off they're only about three inches long. Besides the rifle had a bayonet which ought to work better than a little clip.

 

[sterling180]

Dear oh dear,more anti-gun drivel.Half the problems nowdays are to do with,social changes in society.Society has evolved into hoodies&chavs it seems.Stop the guns uk,is a prime example of feral kids being born into this world by mothers,who are about my age,whom know nothing on bringing up children.I wish I could go back in time 20 or more years ago&shoot the banned stuff.Also there was no such thing as do-gooder schemes,like community&young people,this&that.Or is this a propaganda piece to disarm us even more?

 

[EnfieldEnthusiast]

I have to agree with you Sterling on that one.The Brady Group&all these other associations are a pain in the posteria&have been a thorn in the side of the gun lobby,for many years.Assault Clips?,honestly,they always look for something to ban do't they?What next,?A Springfield M1903 rifle converted to fire a laser bean at a young mans eyes?Or ET landed with an illegal AKM assault rifle?As an old man once told me years ago:If you can't say something constructive&reasonable,then don't say anything at all.Too right there.Maybe this lot should take heed of that quote.

 

[AirForceShooter]

OK. Ban Assault Clips.

I'll keep my 30 round magazines.

AFS

 

[EnfieldEnthusiast]

All I could see on that advert,was a young man shooting a Glock pistol,at a target in a pistol,shooting-gallary.32 shot magazines are used for competition shooting.In Britain we used to shoot with handguns with 32 round magazines,just like now,we use extended,shotgun magazines,in practical-shotgun matches.We use today,extended magzines on Ruger 10/22s,for mini-rifle shooting.So naff off Brady fools&UK Gun Control Network control freaks.
At the end of the day,a gun is a gun.Derek Bird,proved in 2010,that it doesn't matter what it is legal,someone will find away to go on a killing spree.Either a person is fit or unfit to possess one.I can see where the British Gun Control Network,got their information from-The Brady Fools.

 

[KenW.]

OK. Ban Assault Clips.

I'll keep my 30 round magazines.

When to law comes out, they'll be referred to as "ammunition feeding devices". They'll have done their homework by then.

 

[rainbowbob]

The ignorance of these people irks me, what can we do to help them understand the factual side of things? Of course diplomacy is key.

If they were interested in facts, they could could google the same resources available to everyone else. That they don't is a clear indication they are only interested in propaganda that supports their preconceived ideas, and have no interest in facts. Diplomacy will get you nowhere with these types, and you'll be wasting your time and brain cells in the attempt.

For your own info (and for the rare anti-gun person you run across who is willing to learn something) start with the gunfacts website:

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4.2/GunFacts4-2-Screen.pdf

 

[Deanimator]

Not trying to start a war here, but how do you counter the argument that more gun deaths happen in America (by far) compared to our European counterparts. 'tis true.

1. I never have a good answer to that one, except the deflection of "more people die by.....cancer, heart disease, car crashes, etc"

1. Of course we have more gun deaths. We also have more knife and club deaths... and more PEOPLE. Whenever somebody mixes absolute numbers and rates, or tries to compare absolute numbers across populations of VASTLY different sizes, it is INVARIABLY due to dishonesty.
2. Europeans have had a lot more Zyklon B, carbon monoxide gas van, vivisection, starvation and overwork deaths than we have.

 

[mdauben]

The ignorance of these people irks me, what can we do to help them understand the factual side of things? Of course diplomacy is key.

The problem is, they are not interested in the truth if it conflicts with their irrational belief that guns are evil. I'm sure many of them probably know that the "facts" they are spreading are outright lies, but they believe that "the end justifies the means" and are so convinced of their own rightness on the issue that truth is irrelevant.

 

[zoom6zoom]

Ban Assault Clips (the correct term is "high capacity magazine"

No, it isn't. Once again you're letting the opposition define the terms. We have standard capacity mags (the ones that were designed for use with the firearm) and reduced capacity magazines.

 

[AK_Maine_iac]

I had a nasty puncher wound on my finger from a paper clip once. Would that be classified as a Assault Clip?

So clips don't kill people. Infections do.

 

[mortablunt]

"What is an assault clip?"

Anything we want it to be.

Haters will always continue to pump nonsense into the air. The gun hates will use manipulative tactics. When they total up all our gun deaths, they put in murders, accidents, suicides, and justifiable shootings. For every person murdered by gun, two people kill themselves with a gun. As for the children they love to hold up as martyrs, well, only about 10 of them a year die because 'careless NRA monster dad left his guns lying around'. That's not even one a month, in a nation with 100 million gun owners.

I love to take apart their arguments such as the 43 to 1 study. They claim that a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to be used to shoot a family member than it is to be used to kill an attacker. Well, for starters, 40% of homes have guns, we have a 20% crime victimization rate, property crimes outnumber violent crimes 7:1, and 80% of gunshot victims survive. So, from 43, I multiply 43x.2 because 2% of homes are victimized. That makes it 5.6:1. From 5.6, I multiply 5.6x.14 because 14% of crimes are violent. That makes it .78:1. From .78, I multiply by .1 because 90% of defensive gun uses do not involve shooting. That makes it .08:1. From .08, I multiply by .2 because only 20% of people shot die. That makes it .016:1. With some rounding to make is .02:1, that makes it therefore 50 times more probable that a gun will by used against an intruder than it will be used on yourself or a family member.

 

[merlinfire]

An Oldie but a Goodie:

These, my friends, are assault clips.

 

[Justin]

Not trying to start a war here, but how do you counter the argument that more gun deaths happen in America (by far) compared to our European counterparts. 'tis true.

I never have a good answer to that one, except the deflection of "more people die by.....cancer, heart disease, car crashes, etc"

The thing is, they cherry-pick the statistics, looking at only the number of gun deaths of the US vs. Country X, when what should be compared are the overall rates of violent crime.

If you ban guns, and enforce the ban rigorously*, it is possible to reduce the number of gun deaths. However, a criminal intent on victimizing someone isn't going to suddenly decide to join the Peace Corp just because he can't immediately get a gun. Instead, he'll substitute something else in place of the gun, like a knife or baseball bat.

Furthermore, once the populace is disarmed, the disparity of force between criminals and citizens grows quite wide, as a handgun in the hands of a criminal doesn't necessarily beat one in the hands of an old granny, but only a fool would argue that they would be equally matched if each had a baseball bat.

So, with the law-abiding disallowed the use of firearms for self-protection, they become much easier to victimize, even if the criminal element has had their access to guns removed.

As a result, gun crime goes down, but most other forms of violent crime go up.




*Which, in the US, would require some wholesale violations of the 4th amendment.

 

[Justin]

As for the whole "assault clip" thing.

The term "clip" is, among the general public, probably a more common term for ammunition feeding devices than the term "magazine."

One of the biggest successes the anti-gun activists ever had was when they were able to tie the word "assault" to commonly owned guns and dupe the public into believing that it was necessary to ban "assault weapons" in order to have a safe society.

The term "assault clip" is just an attempt by them to call back the glory days, when they were able to spout all sorts of idiotic BS and have it parroted by politicians and mass media figures as if it were actual fact.

Those days, fortunately, are over. The Brady Campaign marketing people who are pushing the term "assault clip" are either oblivious to, or in denial of the fact that anyone can find the actual facts just by typing a couple of terms into Google.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Ever read the statistics for homes with swimming pools?

 

[JFrame]

My wife occasionally wears assault clips in her hair.

I can tell you, they hurt like heck when she accidentally bumps her head into my face.


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[Ben86]

Assault Clips?



Using the same logic cars, candles and swimming pools should be banned.

It's been proven time and time again (unintentionally) by several anti-gun local governments (and our federal government) that banning "large capacity" magazines does not lower crime rates at all.

 

[MD_Willington]

Please do not visit the VPC/Brady Bunch et al websites, it bumps up their Alexa ratings, instead visit PRO gun web sites and drive their Alexa scores up through the roof.

 

[Alex23]

Assault clips? Yes the need to be banned along with tactical barretes and mil spec hair bands.

All rational people agree that banning.them would save 800 million Americans a year.

 

[Skribs]

I have some friends who think that the magazine is called a "cartridge". But I forgive them because they're not being vocal about firearms, but rather talking to me when I bring them up.

One thing I find interesting about England's murder rate, is that despite all their gun control, there still are people being murdered with guns. Why isn't that number 0, if their gun control laws are supposed to work?

 

[Alex23]

Violent crime in general have skyrocketed since the gun ban in the uk. A lot of this is due to drugs and eastern European gangs and of course Russians who have no qualms about opening fire at a perceived slight..

 

[91 whiskey]

"In almost half of unintentional shooting deaths (49 percent), the victim is shot by another person." Another one of the Brady campaign facts. That's a special fact right there.