Black Caucus extorts legislature over gun control (PA)

[Nitrogen]

The funny thing is, black leaders now consider the LACK of gun control laws racism. Some actually think that Republicans in office block gun control laws in order to mess with and keep black people down.

I'm not kidding. I had this exact argument with a radio talk show host a week or so ago. The argument was so insane I couldn't even respond.

I personally don't get it. A group of people feel they have been wronged by a government, and they demand that the government fix the problem by adding more government?

That just sounds nuts to me.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Crazed SS is a pretty sane, reasonable guy.

And SS refers to "Super Sport", as in Chevy with big throbbing V8.

I'm sure you recognize that I didn't suggest that "Crazed SS" was neo Nazi or anything of the kind. Part of my point in commenting upon his screen name was--and remains--that all of us can feel pain and any of us can cause it even if unintentionally.

I'm rereading John Lott's book More Guns Less Crime and last night, by coincidence, I got to his findings that black people benefit more than others from owning guns for self defense. No surprise.

 

[Brett Bellmore]

If they wanted to do a publicity stunt to shame the black caucus, the thing to do would be to look up the text of some really old Jim Crow law, and bring it to a vote to humor them. And only publicize where the text of the law came from after the idiots were on record voting for it.

 

[ArmedBear]

The argument was so insane I couldn't even respond.

It's not insane, it's disingenuous.

Say you were a mother in public housing projects in Philly, where we've created a SERIOUS mess for the people in them, with our "do-good" policies. Chances are, at least one of your kids is a thief. The odds of him being killed by a homeowner with a gun are relatively high. Therefore, you don't want homeowners to have guns. You don't want your kid to be shot next time he's ripping someone off.

Consider someone's perspective here.

Obviously, it's not my perspective. I don't even know anyone who leads a life of crime. Somehow I think that upper middle class African-American professionals in Pennsylvania will have a perspective a lot more like mine. Race is not what this is really about.

 

[El Tejon]

Crazed SS, that is an excellent point. While you won't find much support for the Confederacy or Nazis here in Yankeeland, I cannot think of an instance where I have seen, or shamefully have brought myself, new African Americans to the range.

I have long advocated for an office inside the NRA that does nothing but bring responsible firearms ownership to African-Americans. By using history to our advantage in the campaign, I would think it would be warmly received as soon as, as you point out, gun owners break out of their defensive hedgehog and reach out to others.

 

[ArmedBear]

I have long advocated for an office inside the NRA that does nothing but bring responsible firearms ownership to African-Americans.

That's a kind of affirmative action we do need.

 

[Glockman17366]

I'm a PA resident.
These negroes are not thinking for themselves or their constituency. It is the notorious Ed Rendell ("governor" of PA) and his rabid anti-rights and pro-socialist agenda dictating their actions...sort of like a plantation owner and his slaves.
The negroes of the racist "Black" caucus are nothing more then Rendell's lackeys.

 

[Robert Hairless]

I cannot think of an instance where I have seen, or shamefully have brought myself, new African Americans to the range.

I have and I do, but not for any reason other than that they're acquaintances, friends, or neighbors. I like helping people learn to shoot responsibly, even when they wind up outshooting me. It happens.

Slightly different tack on the same subject. A few weeks ago I bumped into someone I knew slightly from a club to which we both belong. He had just finished shooting and was carrying a kind of bag I hadn't seen before. When I asked him about it he smiled slyly, opened it, and withdrew a Thompson Contender. Another club member walked over and asked "Is that the same TC you used to win the state championship?" Mental note to myself: Self, do not get suckered into a friendly competition with that man.

 

[ArmedBear]

was carrying a kind of bag I hadn't seen before.

For some reason, that line reminded me of when the new Sheriff of Rock Ridge showed up with Gucci saddlebags.

That ain't right. Lord I apologize and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea, amen.

 

[grimjaw]

Fine, don't pay them until they come back to work.

Amen. Government employees that don't come to work should be just like the rest of us. Take paid vacation or take no pay. Loafers.

I say that since the PA legislature has no tools (or will) to identify the individuals or elements responsible for violence perpetrated with firearms, they are trying to bluntly wield an instrument (ban) to punish those who are NOT responsible. The reason the white (red, purple, pink/yellow polkadot) caucus didn't walk out? It isn't their constituency that's killing themselves at a prodigious rate.

I do agree with some of crazed ss's comments. If you look at gun culture, on the surface it's older white men with a certain outlook. The surface impression of gun shows and NRA meetings are that way as well. I'm a white male, and even *I* have felt out of place in those groups.

jm

 

[Art Eatman]

One thing that chaps me about this sort of thing is that some two-thirds of all blacks are in the economic middle class, per the Census Bureau. Sadly, the lower end of that remaining one-third is responsible for a disproportionately large share of all violent crime.

Just as many people judge all hunters by road signs with bullet holes in them, some people judge all blacks by that lower end of the one-third. Wrong. Serously wrong and unfair.

Irony: Back some thirty years ago, the Black Caucus in Congress took our point of view about inexpensive firearms, and vocally resisted efforts by Kennedy et al to ban "Saturday Night Specials". The view was that it unfairly targeted poor people, predominantly blacks, against having a means of self-defense.

The sad part of the behavior of these Pennsylvania legislators is that they basically are saying that their own people cannot be trusted with firearms. Implicit is that it's ALL their own people, not just those who commit violent crimes. Tragic, really...

Art

 

[Zeke/PA]

I'm afraid that if existing Gun Legislation were put in play to stem the violence,the Justice System would be accused of racial profiling against blacks.
Zeke

 

[doc2rn]

Yes

I read this whole thing from start to finish, and I was beginning to think I was the only one, until just reading Art's line, to get it. I am however not an articulate man, so I will leave it at that. +1 to ART!

 

[ArmedBear]

some people judge all blacks by that lower end of the one-third. Wrong. Serously wrong and unfair.

True.

But is it helping the cause of right and fairness when the Black Caucus joins the chorus and does the same thing?

 

[Robert Hairless]

Just as many people judge all hunters by road signs with bullet holes in them, some people judge all blacks by that lower end of the one-third. Wrong. Serously wrong and unfair.

Irony: Back some thirty years ago, the Black Caucus in Congress took our point of view about inexpensive firearms, and vocally resisted efforts by Kennedy et al to ban "Saturday Night Specials". The view was that it unfairly targeted poor people, predominantly blacks, against having a means of self-defense.

The sad part of the behavior of these Pennsylvania legislators is that they basically are saying that their own people cannot be trusted with firearms. Implicit is that it's ALL their own people, not just those who commit violent crimes. Tragic, really...

Good insights and good history, Art.

It's painful to see people who are among those most in need of the ability to defend their own lives and that of their families misled so that they think they are safest when defenseless. Tragic indeed.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Owen Sparks:

It has to be a Southern thing, or maybe just your region, because although there are a majority of white people @ the range, I live in a place where only 1 in 10 people is black. And, about that percentage show up to the range any given time I'm there.

1 in 3? South Carolina, Mississippi? That's about the only places with those proportions. I'd think MS or SC blacks would want to be armed to the teeth, but, well... the cultural legacy of slavery never fails to amaze me.

And, for everyone else, if there is no memory of slavery (as in there are no stories in your family, perhaps your ancestors really never were slaves), you won't, and can't understand the issue the same way.

Black people have the legacy, they can't shake it off. They have a rememberance every day someone says their last names.

 

[cambeul41]

It's time for one of Oleg's pictures



The Black Caucus apparently also agree with the KKK>

 

[feedthehogs]

Americans need no hyphen.

We are all americans where "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,".

Protecting oneself against crime does not need labels except one;

Responsible American gun owner.

Hatred is big business, run by men who derive their identity from it and who have desire to control people by it.