Pa. black caucus: No gun laws, no budget

[FieroCDSP]

Why would any black politico want to make sure that their people are unarmed?

Because they've bought into the BS of the liberals in that in order to stop crime, you have to write laws to cover everything, rather than nailing people on the laws that are already there.

You want to stop crime in a city, start big. Get a few hundred cops together, and haul in every gang in the city. Mix the various gangs up in the jail for three days while figuring out what to charge them with.

Th gangs will fight the cops before being arrested, that's a felony. The gangs will fight in the jail, likely to the death. That's a felony. So basicly, anyone left standing at the end of the operation is either a cop, or going to prison for life.
It's a hard way of doing things, but as long as the gangs are running the show in a city, there's no way to curb the violence. Especially by enacting laws that every knows are only followed by the good people.

 

[pcosmar]

Tecumseh said,

So why not start a PA white caucus? Nobody is stopping you from doing it.

That would be considered racist.
Why not focus on Individual rights, and protect everyones rights.

 

[Johannes_Paulsen]

Thing is, ol' Malcom X was pretty cool with the right to keep & bear arms...

 

[ArmedBear]

That's a laugh!

Just make sure that No Budget = No Welfare Checks and see how long the Philly legislators hold out.

You've got all the time in the world. Hell, make it "No Retro Checks once the budget IS signed" and watch 'em squirm.

 

[USMC6177]

I'm all in favor of giving Philadelphia lawmakers all they want, but only after Philadelphia has been severed from Pennsylvania and given to New Jersey. they deserve each other.

Get in line I've been trying to get NJ to take NYC off our hands, heck I'd even throw in Staten Island and Long Island

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by pcscomar:
Tecumseh said,

Quote:
So why not start a PA white caucus? Nobody is stopping you from doing it.

That would be considered racist.
Why not focus on Individual rights, and protect everyones rights.

I was just asking why the other poster was so concerned about it. I dont think it is racist to have a black caucus. If he is so concerned about that he could join an organization that is pro-white like the KKK. Or there are organizations for Muslims, Jews, Christians, and different religions. Different ethnic origins as well. Just because your group does not have one does not mean that you cant start one.

I think it is an example of white people wanting to feel like they are the victims. But that is just me.

 

[Owen Sparks]

I wonder how these black legislators would feel about reinstating laws prohibiting blacks from owning firearms. This would specifically target those who fit the profile of potential criminals in urban areas while not affecting suburban white property owners.

Until well after the Civil war there were such laws on the books in the south.

OS

 

[jselvy]

Until well after the Civil war there were such laws on the books in the south.

Very true and people generally don't know that over 60,000 free blacks lost their lives fighting for their country in the Confederate Army.

Jefferson

 

[Autolycus]

Actually Owen Sparks why would you want to do that? The lawmakers themselves happen to be black but otherwise are not making race an issue. Thats all it is. They just happen to be members of a black organization. The laws they intend to write will affect everyone, not just whites or black people. So please dont try and drag racism into this.

 

[pcosmar]

I think it is an example of white people wanting to feel like they are the victims. But that is just me.

I dislike racism in any form.

The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.

Ron Paul, http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=508

 

[romma]

Some people (especially) persons who are banned from legal firearm possession, want to disarm the rest of us too!

Maybe not the lawmakers in this instance, but certainly their vast majority of criminal constituents...

 

[Owen Sparks]

Tecumseh,

You are missing the something. I was being facetious. illustrating absurdity by being absurd.

Jefferson said "no free man shall be denied the use of arms" and when denial of this right was applied only to black people, it was considered inequality and eventually, laws like this were overturned.

I just can't fathom how todays black "leadership" would want to surrender such hard won rights.

OS

 

[gunsmith]

why don't they just advocate Jim Crow?

ban gun ownership for blacks?
that seems to be what they are really asking for anyway.

 

[Glockman17366]

Actually...if it was proved that blacks cause more crime...or are the main illegal users of firearms...I'd like to see what would happen if a law prohibiting blacks from owning guns would do...in fact, I'd suggest one of the black caucus introduce the bill. It could be a referendum vote in Philadelphia.

I'd be extremely curious how such a bill or referndum would fare...

 

[scout26]

"As a resident of Montgomery County I'm all in favor of giving Philadelphia lawmakers all they want, but only after Philadelphia has been severed from Pennsylvania and given to New Jersey. they deserve each other."

I'll throw in Chicago and the rest of Cook County.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I say, tell the Black Caucus this:

If you disarm Philadelphians, then the alternative is roving bands of white cops patrolling your neighborhoods. Want to bet $10 these bills would never pass?

 

[haole_boySS]

Sorry, I can't bite my tongue anymore...and sorry this isn't totally on topic.

The Congressional Black Caucus IS breeding racism and separation. No, there isnt a Congressional White Caucus becasue it would be viewed as racist. Then again, only whites can be racist. For all other groups its called "Ethnic Pride"

Last time I checked.....For The People, Of The People, By The People.....made absolutely NO mention of race.
Why does the CBC feel the need to separate blacks from everyone else, ie- the People?

Tecumseh, Since you already spoke of the KKK....can you site any other ALL white organizations that are not also considered Racist?

Andy
*flame suit on*

 

[Jim K]

"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia.

Hmmm. It seems to me that a Pittsburgh newspaper writer wanted a total ban on guns, to be enforced by house-to-house searches, with fine and imprisonment for gun ban violators. The last time I heard that proposal, the penalty was to be summary execution for everyone in a house where any gun, ammunition, gun accessory or gun literature was found.

Our enemies must be mellowing.

Jim

 

[eric_t12]

fairness

fairness doctrines, 'minority rights'...

they point out minute differences in the attempt to make it fair.

'we the people' should not be meant to discriminate, nor do i think it ever truly was meant to.

when you create a group to advocate the rights of such things that were never meant to be divided in the first place, all you do is cement the fact that there IS a difference, that two races ARE separate... they're not.

we are all colors, races, religions, and we're all americans.

 

[Glockman17366]

"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia.

Banning CCW in the streets of Philadelphia bans the right of self defense.

 

[Autolycus]

There are many different pro-white groups that are not considered racist. There are IRish cop associations, Italian American business owner associations, etc.

 

[Bruce H]

Has anybody bothered to check if these fine African-Americans have a green card? Natural born citizens they can't be.

 

[haole_boySS]

Don't skip around, we are talking about plain ol' white people. Not Italian Americans, or Irish Americans. What are some all white, non ethnic associated groups that are not considered racist?

 

[budney]

It would be exceedingly interesting to see what would happen if if the state budget was not passed. This is nothing short of extortion of the citizens of Pennsylvania...

Maybe I'm confused. I get the impression the PA black caucus is pro-gun--after all, they're offering us a win-win twofer! No gun control AND no state budget! I'm going to call my rep and ask him to support this awesome initiative.

--Len.

 

[Cato the Younger]

Guys- this is why advocacy is important!

Dear All (especially PA residents),
I agree that no gun control is great- but I see a disturbing trend in the lawmakers you have cited for doing this stuff- suburban lawmakers are joining in the push. I am from Cook Cty, Illinois originally, and you guys need to prevent happening in PA what happened in IL- fight in the suburbs for every pro-gun vote, get people out shooting, while maintaining your strength in the rural areas. I have seen what has happened in Illinois when suburban Cook County went anti-gun- we have had a stream of bad legislation passed that the other parts of the state were not able to vote down. I have heard PA has some good gun laws- it would be a shame to see that go down the tubes b/c the suburbs were influenced too much towards Philly anti-gun policies.

just my 2 cents.