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Border Patrol agent fatally shoots rock-throwing man

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Desertdog, Aug 28, 2006.

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  1. Desertdog

    Desertdog Well-Known Member

    Border Patrol agent fatally shoots rock-throwing man

    YUMA, Ariz. -- A U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot a man who was throwing rocks at officers from the Mexican side of the border late Saturday, officials said.

    The incident began after agents spotted a suspicious vehicle near the Andrade Port of Entry west of the California-Arizona border, just north of the international border and alongside the Colorado River.

    The driver fled and then tried to swim across a pond along the river in an effort to return to Mexico, the agency said in a press release.

    But the man began to struggle to stay afloat and agents threw him a flotation device and began to try to rescue him. Several people on the other side of the border then began throwing rocks at the agents, and one officer was struck in the head.

    The officer then shot at a man who was getting ready to throw another rock, the Border Patrol said. Mexican authorities took the man to a hospital, where he died.

    Attacks on Border Patrol agents have become more common in recent years, and this year agents say they're seeing smugglers become even more violent as more federal resources make crossing into the U.S. ever more difficult.

    Smugglers are throwing softball-sized rocks, hunks of concrete and whole bricks at agents, either out of frustration or to try to get authorities to back off.
  2. orangelo

    orangelo member

    So the border agents try to save a drowning man/criminal and the mexicans throw rocks at the rescuers?

    Good shoot if you ask me. :fire:
  3. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Dont throw rocks at people? That's the only lesson I'm getting from this.
  4. thefitzvh

    thefitzvh Well-Known Member

    While normally, I would say that shooting a man who is throwing rocks at you is reprehensible.

    However, if they were interfering with the efforts of the border patrol to save a man's life, then they deserved it.

    Rough call, but I think the agent did the right thing, and I hope he isn't having too much trouble with his decision.
  5. ceetee

    ceetee Well-Known Member

    If I shoot a man that's on the other side of the border, what jurisdiction gets to arrest me?
  6. Sindawe

    Sindawe Well-Known Member

    About freaking time. :mad:
  7. longeyes

    longeyes member

    No doubt the Left will have its usual field day with this one. Obviously they haven't taken softball-sized rocks to the head.
  8. carlrodd

    carlrodd Well-Known Member

    perhaps that man's close circle of friends will think twice before assaulting the border patrol again.....or perhaps not. they'll start to wise up if enough get shot. good job border patrol agent.
  9. Biker

    Biker Well-Known Member

    A) As a kid, I accidentally put a big dent in another kid's dome during a rock fight. He came out okay but with a steel plate in his head. We were just playing but it shows what can happen.

    B) Don't bring a rock to a gunfight.

    C) Sympathy can be found in the dictionary between sh....never mind.

  10. Erebus

    Erebus Well-Known Member

    If you are trying to hit me in the head with a softball sized rock or chunk of concrete I see that as deadly force. One guy throwing rocks I can dodge and run. Not a shooting situation. Several throwing rocks while I'm trying to save a drowning man is whole different story. I get hit there's a good chance I die and the drowning man dies, I run away good chance the drowning man dies. Unacceptable on both counts. Sounds like they did what they were forced to do based on these early facts.

    As much as I don't like border jumpers I can't stand by and watch a human being drown without doing everything I can to save them. That's not to say I agree with setting up water stations in the desert, that only encourages illegal crossings. I don't mind saving their lives when you find them in trouble, but don't do anything to encourage them.
  11. Frog48

    Frog48 Well-Known Member

    If the rock-throwing morons were on US soil, I'd have no problem with the border patrol taking a shot at them. But shooting across international borders is unacceptable, because thats how wars are started. You gotta look at the big picture. I know that a war is unlikely between the US and Mexico because of an incident such as this, but its the principle of the matter. Wars have started from incidents smaller than this...

    I hope the officer is reprimanded, at the least.

    Personally, if I had been in that situation... I would have backed out of range of the rock-throwers, and let the fool drown.
  12. NevJohn

    NevJohn Active Member

    Grant48...... shooting across the border, yeah, it might start a war, but take a look at this photo from this past weekend Minuteman rally in Maywood, CA. Note that the "pro-illegals" hauled down the American Flag at the Post Office, and ran up the Mexican flag. :evil: All this while the Maywood PD did nothing about it. :fire: Hmmmm. Now this might start a war; at least in alot of citizens who witness it are very upset, as it seems possible Civil War will break out again, 150 years after the first.
    The US government; namely Mr. Bush and Chaney (noticed I didnt say "Mr President") along with the congress better get this immigration problem fixed soon, or there will be a revolt of some sorts. Sorry for the rant..

    (I do not belong to the MM)
  13. bowline

    bowline Well-Known Member

    The Mexican government aids and abets the border invasion with maps. The Mexican army has violated the border any number of times this year alone.
    Theres' your causus bella right there. It takes two to fight a war, it only takes one to roll over and surrender.
    Good shoot - the rock throwers were, in substance, facilitating the drowning of the runner. The shoot was in aid of his rescue.
    Just my 2 cents....
  14. fourays2

    fourays2 Well-Known Member

    GWB needs to be impeached over his handling of the mexican invasion.
  15. Biker

    Biker Well-Known Member

    It's time. Any Americans present at that event who did nothing should be ashamed and stripped of their citizenship, cops included. If your Flag means nothing more than that and you allow a foreign flag to fly in its place, get out of my country. End of story...

  16. longeyes

    longeyes member

    The War started a long time ago. The unassimilated illegal aliens merely constitute the southern front.
  17. I agree with bowline. The thing people should learn from this is DON'T THROW ROCKS AT MEN BETTER ARMED THAN YOURSELF. Especially those that are LEO's trying to save someone's life. That should have been obvious. Never get between them and a man in need.
  18. Thefabulousfink

    Thefabulousfink Well-Known Member

    Where was the Postmaster? I seem to recall an anecdote about the War of 1812. The Capitol was burned by the British and the only reason that the Post Office was spared was because the Post Master General met the British on the steps with a blunderbuss.

    The story may or may not be true, but the fact of the matter is that the Flag and flag pole are Government Property and if I worked there I would have marched out, retrived the flag, and cut the line on the flag pole to prevent it from being used in such a way. If I was assaulted, so be it. Mabey then the police would step in and do their jobs. I am not above risking bodily injury to see that what is right gets done.
  19. 'Fink

    America needs more people like you.
  20. Desertdog

    Desertdog Well-Known Member

    I think the BP should put water stations in the desert with cameras, motion detectors, emergency alert box, and silent automatic notifacation of authorities if they don't use the emergency button. That would be a great life saver.
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