Buying a Gun Increases Your Risk of Suicide?
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La Pistoletta
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Lashlarue said:
You ever poured a bunch of cold water on a hot stove?
That's the sound those people make when you try to expose the truth to them and their intended audience.
I am not being reactive but sarcastic. Make no mistake about it the antis lost big with Heller and their next big push will be "reasonable" restrictions on those who MAY have some mental/emotional health issues. What is reasonable? who gets to decide? The goal is to take away all guns in America. The "studies" done on the issue of guns by the medical community have been greatly biased against firearms. The public health community should be looking for more effective means to fight disease.
Playing devil with cause and effect.....
One of the more insidious forms of suicide that is probably NOT captured in the statistics is via OD of acetaminephin (such as Tylenol).
Here if the initial OD doesn't send you into a hepatic coma then the probability is you wake up, say thank God, then die from acute liver failure 3-6 days later.
Quote from the Army's Medical Department
Overdoses of acetaminophen require immediate medical attention to prevent permanent damage. Overdose treatment usually involves pumping the person's stomach and administering charcoal, plus a three-day hospital admission so that a complete course of antidote therapy can be administered. By the time symptoms of an overdose become apparent, it may already be too late to save the liver and possibly the person's life.
In this case the death will probably not be captured as death by suicide by due to liver failure.
The CDC estimates that suicide cost to the US at approx $25Bn per year
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/dvp/Preventing_Suicide.pdf
Now much of these costs are medical (how surprising) and are greatest for unsuccessful attempts with a range of approx 20:1, unsuccessful to successful.
As such it is economically far better for the economy and the individuals family/estate as a whole to be a successful suicide than a selfish unsuccessful suicide......
Therefore, purely from an economic Darwinian perspective we should applaud suicide by firearm for the reduction in cost to us all........
Betcha the dear professors didn't factor that in............
One of the more insidious forms of suicide that is probably NOT captured in the statistics is via OD of acetaminephin (such as Tylenol).
Here if the initial OD doesn't send you into a hepatic coma then the probability is you wake up, say thank God, then die from acute liver failure 3-6 days later.
Quote from the Army's Medical Department
Overdoses of acetaminophen require immediate medical attention to prevent permanent damage. Overdose treatment usually involves pumping the person's stomach and administering charcoal, plus a three-day hospital admission so that a complete course of antidote therapy can be administered. By the time symptoms of an overdose become apparent, it may already be too late to save the liver and possibly the person's life.
In this case the death will probably not be captured as death by suicide by due to liver failure.
The CDC estimates that suicide cost to the US at approx $25Bn per year
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/dvp/Preventing_Suicide.pdf
Now much of these costs are medical (how surprising) and are greatest for unsuccessful attempts with a range of approx 20:1, unsuccessful to successful.
As such it is economically far better for the economy and the individuals family/estate as a whole to be a successful suicide than a selfish unsuccessful suicide......
Therefore, purely from an economic Darwinian perspective we should applaud suicide by firearm for the reduction in cost to us all........
Betcha the dear professors didn't factor that in............
I can see it's been said already, but I'll reiterate:
Correlation does not mean causation.
In fact, in the case of buying a gun makes you commit suicide, I'll bet they have the causation reversed...
If you want to commit suicide, you are more likely to buy a gun.
Being that you most likely are already aware if you want to commit suicide, I doubt you have to worry next time you buy a gun...
Correlation does not mean causation.
In fact, in the case of buying a gun makes you commit suicide, I'll bet they have the causation reversed...
If you want to commit suicide, you are more likely to buy a gun.
Being that you most likely are already aware if you want to commit suicide, I doubt you have to worry next time you buy a gun...
Unisaw
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Another great article by Steve Chapman. I have dropped him an email to let him know just how much I appreciated the article.
General Geoff
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I always figured that the only meaningful relationship between guns and suicides, is that:
1. Guns are highly effective suicide tools,
2. A person who uses a gun to commit suicide is actually serious. You don't say a person who shoots himself is "crying for help" like a guy who's standing on the ledge of a tall building or slashing his wrists in a bath tub. The person who shoots himself on purpose is almost always dead.
1. Guns are highly effective suicide tools,
2. A person who uses a gun to commit suicide is actually serious. You don't say a person who shoots himself is "crying for help" like a guy who's standing on the ledge of a tall building or slashing his wrists in a bath tub. The person who shoots himself on purpose is almost always dead.
neviander
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...http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5885729.html
They do use the suicide excuse quite a bit, don't they? I found this article, thought I'd share.
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Sigh. Jim, Jim, Jim ....
No offense intended but you obviously know little about politics and less about the American people, especially of this generation and its predecessor. The abject failure of those prohibitions is the primary reason why I will have no problem at all with this idea.
These Americans are guided by the principle that "Nothing succeeds like failure." When an initiative fails, they believe that the failure can be corrected by doing more and more of whatever it is that didn't work before and before that.
That's why the "war on drugs" gets more and more money thrown at it. It's why a great many gun owners try to persuade increasing numbers of other gun owners to vote for candidates who don't stand a chance of winning. It's why Ralph Nader and Ron Paul keep running for President, why Adrian Fenty keeps poking his municipal hairpin in the electric outlet, and why the good people of Washington, DC, will continue to vote for him as soon as they figure out how to cross the streets by themselves without either being hit by or stealing a car.
Many Americans today like to fail. They know failure, they're accustomed to it, and they like it because it's familiar. It's success that they fear.
There, by the way, is the key to understanding Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, The Brady Campaign, and Gun Owners of America. It's also why newspapers continue to do what it is that has made them fail, and why they behave as if they believe that doing more of it will help them succeed.
Frizzman
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There is a positive, significant correlation between the amount of ice cream consumption and drowning deaths. Does this mean that eating too much ice cream will cause one to drown? Of course not. There is a third variable. Both ice cream consumption and swimming increases in the warm months. There is NO cause and effect. As anyone with even an elementary understanding of statistics knows, correlations NEVER prove cause and effect.
It does make sense that using a gun to shoot oneself in the head is more reliable in its lethality and is relatively easier than other forms of suicide. Driving a car or truck makes it easier to die in a traffic accident. When is someone going to say driving is too dangerous and we should get rid of our cars and trucks? The people who want us to get rid of our guns would most likely not be very willing to give up their personal vehicles to make society safer would they?
It does make sense that using a gun to shoot oneself in the head is more reliable in its lethality and is relatively easier than other forms of suicide. Driving a car or truck makes it easier to die in a traffic accident. When is someone going to say driving is too dangerous and we should get rid of our cars and trucks? The people who want us to get rid of our guns would most likely not be very willing to give up their personal vehicles to make society safer would they?
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