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george29

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Seems that packing.org is down and I need to know the laws regarding California. I will be travelling there for a couple days and need to know if I should / could pack my piece and also if my NM CCW is valid there?
I tried a search here but too much none revelant stuff came up. Anyone able to help me?
 
Seems like my weapon needs to be unloaded and not easily accessible.
 
A freind visits CA form NV. He keeps his piece in an open, unlocked container in the seat beside him with a loaded mag in his shirt pocket. If pulled over, he shuts/locks the container and is legal. If he needs his piece, he slams in the mag and he's ready.
 
Basicly nothing readily accessible is legal.

Long arms however have no specifics. They simply cannot be loaded per CA law. Cannot be concealed etc.

A freind visits CA form NV. He keeps his piece in an open, unlocked container in the seat beside him with a loaded mag in his shirt pocket. If pulled over, he shuts/locks the container and is legal. If he needs his piece, he slams in the mag and he's ready.
Which is illegal and hoping to not get caught. In fact I believe that is a felony offense:

12025 ....(6) By imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment if both of the following conditions are met:
(A) Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
(B) The person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 11106, as the registered owner of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(7) In all cases other than those specified in paragraphs (1) to (6) inclusive, by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
(c) A peace officer may arrest a person for a violation of paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) if the peace officer has probable cause to believe that the person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 11106 as the registered owner of the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, and one or more of the conditions in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) is met.

Since your friend had both the firearm and the ammunition in thier immediate possession he is breaking the law. If the container is closed and not locked it is also illegaly concealed in the vehicle until the container is locked.
So it appears two serious offenses are already being commited.
Section 12026.2. makes some exceptions, but usualy a person simply traveling will not fall within them.

I recall someone who went to sleep while camping in the bed of thier pickup with a handgun in a locking case beside them. They didn't lock the case and that was considered an illegal concealed weapon in the vehicle. He did lock it, but only with one digit (think it was the wheel digit type) with the rest on the combination, and that was interpreted as not locked by the ranger. If they ask to inspect the firearm they are legaly entitled. Obviously they probably won't let you remove it from the case and will want the combination if a combination, or a key if a padlock etc. If it is already on the combination they will realize that. Perhaps a padlock setup would work? Either way it is illegal to keep it in the vehicle concealed and unlocked, or to keep it loaded. In a closed locking but unlocked case is concealed.

Further many violations become even more serious with a handgun if that handgun is not registered to you in the state of CA. If you didn't purchase it in CA, or send them money to register it with information then it won't be.

Some truckers carry a shotgun or other long arm to allow a defensive weapon to be available without running afoul of the handgun(capable of being concealed on the person) transportation and possession laws while residing in other states.
 
Which is illegal and hoping to not get caught. In fact I believe that is a felony offense:

Yes, illegal while driving with the case open, but in fact, legal when the case is closed and unlocked. BTW, it is a misdemeanor for a 1st offense in CA.
 
I'm no lawyer, but...

I've been told it's ok to keep a pistol unloaded in a locked case on the passenger seat of your vehicle with a mag on top of the case in plain view. Just keep the key out of the case's lock.

An easy way to think about it is the lock must be between the weapon and the ammunition. The trunk counts as a locked container, a glove box does not. A bag with a lock on it or a lock box is fine.

But that doesn't apply to long guns...

You can have long arms unsecured in your vehicle with the ammunition next to them, just not loaded into them. So a shotgun with the action open and a few shells next to it would be fine.

California laws don't make any sense.

And no, your out of state CCW is not valid in CA.
 
Breathing is illegal in CA, since you're emitting greenhouse gases and all, unless you are exhaling in the process of spewing communist propaganda. Big deal.

The bottom line is, if you don't look/act like a scumbag, the chances of your being searched are nil. No one would ever know you have a BUG in your pocket. The "shadow CCW" folks in CA rely on this fact every day, and so can you.
 
I have a friend who makes a few trips into ca every year. His motto is, better to judged by 12 than carried by 6. Drive the speed limit, keep it to yourself and get in and out before you become corrupted.
 
I should / could pack my piece and also if my NM CCW is valid there?
You could but you would have to travel with it unloaded in a locked case. When transporting by car it must also be locked in the trunk.
California has NO reciprocity with any other state.
 
Yes, illegal while driving with the case open, but in fact, legal when the case is closed and unlocked
No an unlocked case is an illegal concealed weapon. It only becomes legal to have it concealed if it is in a locked container, not a container that can lock.
BTW, it is a misdemeanor for a 1st offense in CA
It is a felony if the firearm is not registered to you in the state of CA to get caught with it concealed, and it wont be registered if purchased outside CA, and the person has not paid the fee and submitted the information to the CA doj to import a handgun.
It is also a felony if you are charged with any other criminal offense, even another misdemeanor, it was then illegaly concealed/possessed during the commission of a crime and becomes a felony (does not state violent crime or a specific type of crime, any crime qualifies).
That means it qualifies as a felony charge even in most self defense situations in public.

Oh CA also has a list of assault weapons by type and by feature, most pistols you would use for ccw elsewhere shouldn't fall under it. Any handgun with a magazine outside the pistol grip is a considered an assault weapon. Most of those types are also banned specificly by name as well.

There is also a 10 round magazine capacity limitation. Importing any magazine that can hold over 10 rounds is another no no.
 
The bottom line is, if you don't look/act like a scumbag, the chances of your being searched are nil. No one would ever know you have a BUG in your pocket. The "shadow CCW" folks in CA rely on this fact every day, and so can you.

I sympathize with the Citizens of CA over CCW, but I don't think it's a great idea to advocate breaking laws no matter how absurd we find them.
 
Ooops........ meant locked, not unlocked. See my earlier post which states it correctly.

An unloaded weapon in a locked case is legal.

The story I told was of a NV rewsident visiting CA, not moving here and the gun is legally his in NV.

It is a misdemeanor for a CA resident to have a concealed or loaded handgun in a vehicle on a first offense. This is the first I heard of it being elevated to felony if the person is a non-resident.
 
It is a misdemeanor for a CA resident to have a concealed or loaded handgun in a vehicle on a first offense. This is the first I heard of it being elevated to felony if the person is a non-resident.
It is a misdemeanor the first time only if the firearm is registered to that person in the CA DOJ database. Anyone who purchases a handgun or goes through an ffl (required to transfer in CA) in CA automaticly has the firearm purchased or transfered registered to them. However someone that is visiting from another state, or even a CA resident that moved from another state and never submitted the paperwork and fees to "import a handgun" for each handgun is not registered. That makes being caught with it a felony.

Here is the relevant part of section 12025 in the penal code for non DOJ registered firearms:

(6) By imprisonment in the state prison (felony), or by imprisonment in a
county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one
thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment if
both of the following conditions are met:
(A) Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable of
being discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate
possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.

(B) The person is not listed with the Department of Justice
pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 11106, as the
registered owner of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.


11106. '(a) In order to assist in the investigation of crime, the
prosecution of civil actions by city attorneys pursuant to paragraph
(3) of subdivision (c), the arrest and prosecution of criminals, and
the recovery of lost, stolen, or found property, the Attorney General
shall keep and properly file a complete record of all copies of
fingerprints, copies of licenses to carry firearms issued pursuant to
Section 12050, information reported to the Department of Justice
pursuant to Section 12053, dealers' records of sales of firearms,
reports provided pursuant to Section 12072 or 12078, forms provided
pursuant to Section 12084, as that section read prior to being
repealed by the act that amended this section, reports provided
pursuant to Section 12071 that are not dealers' records of sales of
firearms, and reports of stolen, lost, found, pledged, or pawned
property in any city or county of this state, and shall, upon proper
application therefor, furnish this information to the officers
referred to in Section 11105.
(b) (1) Except as provided in subdivision (d), the Attorney
General shall not retain or compile any information from reports
filed pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 12078 for firearms that
are not handguns, from forms submitted pursuant to Section 12084, as
that section read prior to being repealed by the act that amended
this section, for firearms that are not handguns, or from dealers'
records of sales for firearms that are not handguns. All copies of
the forms submitted, or any information received in electronic form,
pursuant to Section 12084, as that section read prior to being
repealed by the act that amended this section, for firearms that are
not handguns, or of the dealers' records of sales for firearms that
are not handguns shall be destroyed within five days of the clearance
by the Attorney General, unless the purchaser or transferor is
ineligible to take possession of the firearm. All copies of the
reports filed, or any information received in electronic form,
pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 12078 for firearms that are
not handguns shall be destroyed within five days of the receipt by
the Attorney General, unless retention is necessary for use in a
criminal prosecution.
(2) A peace officer, the Attorney General, a Department of Justice
employee designated by the Attorney General, or any authorized local
law enforcement employee shall not retain or compile any information
from a firearms transaction record, as defined in paragraph (5) of
subdivision (c) of Section 12071, for firearms that are not handguns
unless retention or compilation is necessary for use in a criminal
prosecution or in a proceeding to revoke a license issued pursuant to
Section 12071.
(3) A violation of this subdivision is a misdemeanor.
(c) (1) The Attorney General shall permanently keep and properly
file and maintain all information reported to the Department of
Justice pursuant to Sections 12071, 12072, 12078, 12082, and former
Section 12084 or any other law, as to handguns and maintain a
registry thereof.
(2) The registry shall consist of all of the following:
(A) The name, address, identification of, place of birth (state or
country), complete telephone number, occupation, sex, description,
and all legal names and aliases ever used by the owner or person
being loaned the particular handgun as listed on the information
provided to the department on the Dealers' Record of Sale, the Law
Enforcement Firearms Transfer (LEFT), as defined in former Section
12084, or reports made to the department pursuant to Section 12078 or
any other law.
(B) The name and address of, and other information about, any
person (whether a dealer or a private party) from whom the owner
acquired or the person being loaned the particular handgun and when
the firearm was acquired or loaned as listed on the information
provided to the department on the Dealers' Record of Sale, the LEFT,
or reports made to the department pursuant to Section 12078 or any
other law.
(C) Any waiting period exemption applicable to the transaction
which resulted in the owner of or the person being loaned the
particular handgun acquiring or being loaned that firearm.
(D) The manufacturer's name if stamped on the firearm, model name
or number if stamped on the firearm, and, if applicable, the serial
number, other number (if more than one serial number is stamped on
the firearm), caliber, type of firearm, if the firearm is new or
used, barrel length, and color of the firearm.
(3) Information in the registry referred to in this subdivision
shall, upon proper application therefor, be furnished to the officers
referred to in Section 11105, to a city attorney prosecuting a civil
action, solely for use in prosecuting that civil action and not for
any other purpose, or to the person listed in the registry as the
owner or person who is listed as being loaned the particular handgun.

(4) If any person is listed in the registry as the owner of a
firearm through a Dealers' Record of Sale prior to 1979, and the
person listed in the registry requests by letter that the Attorney
General store and keep the record electronically, as well as in the
record's existing photographic, photostatic, or nonerasable optically
stored form, the Attorney General shall do so within three working
days of receipt of the request. The Attorney General shall, in
writing, and as soon as practicable, notify the person requesting
electronic storage of the record that the request has been honored as
required by this paragraph.
(d) (1) Any officer referred to in paragraphs (1) to (6),
inclusive, of subdivision (b) of Section 11105 may disseminate the
name of the subject of the record, the number of the firearms listed
in the record, and the description of any firearm, including the
make, model, and caliber, from the record relating to any firearm's
sale, transfer, registration, or license record, or any information
reported to the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12021.3,
12053, 12071, 12072, 12077, 12078, 12082, or 12285, if the following
conditions are met:
(A) The subject of the record has been arraigned for a crime in
which the victim is a person described in subdivisions (a) to (f),
inclusive, of Section 6211 of the Family Code and is being prosecuted
or is serving a sentence for the crime, or the subject of the record
is the subject of an emergency protective order, a temporary
restraining order, or an order after hearing, which is in effect and
has been issued by a family court under the Domestic Violence
Protection Act set forth in Division 10 (commencing with Section
6200) of the Family Code.
(B) The information is disseminated only to the victim of the
crime or to the person who has obtained the emergency protective
order, the temporary restraining order, or the order after hearing
issued by the family court.
(C) Whenever a law enforcement officer disseminates the
information authorized by this subdivision, that officer or another
officer assigned to the case shall immediately provide the victim of
the crime with a "Victims of Domestic Violence" card, as specified in
subparagraph (H) of paragraph (9) of subdivision (c) of Section
13701.
(2) The victim or person to whom information is disseminated
pursuant to this subdivision may disclose it as he or she deems
necessary to protect himself or herself or another person from bodily
harm by the person who is the subject of the record.'





So yes someone out of state visiting with:
"Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable ofbeing discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031."

Will not be registered persuant to 11106 and is guilty of a felony offense even on the first offense even with no other charges, unless of course they purchased that pistol in CA or were a prior resisdent of CA when that pistol was registered persuant to 11106.
 
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They had laws about loading people into box cars and ovens. Where does blind sheeple obedience stop? Some people apparently feel it stops when they are told they can't meaningfully protect their loved ones while outside the home.

On the subject of advocacy, how does this grab you, from Hollywood darling Ice Cube:

"Bust a Glock; devils get shot. . . . when God give the
word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me
blast. . . . I'm killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each
and everyday. . . . don't bust until you see the whites of his eyes,
the whites of his skin. . . . Louis Farrakhan . . . Bloods and CRIPS,
and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy"; --
"Enemy"; Ice Cube, Lethal Injection, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn
EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.
 
a biggy... if you lock your gun, in your consol, or glove box is a big no, no.
 
Zoogster

I must be tired because I keep typing faster than my brain works and I'd like to get this clear.

I understand the law regarding a CA resident. I'm still fuzzy on non-resident. Please consider the following;

Scenario 1; A person travelling thru CA with a gun caught with it in his vehicle concealed. Is this a felony on 1st offense?

Scenario 2; Non-Resident person visiting CA with his legally owned gun and is also caught carrying concealed in his vehicle. Keyword here visiting. I assume you can visit with a gun without having to register it here, or is this importing? and is it a felony if he is caught in this scenario?

In scenario 2, the gun or guns brought in are not assault weapons. My freind has a Kel-Tec PLR 16 and I've told him not to bring it, locked up or not.
 
Scenario 1; A person travelling thru CA with a gun caught with it in his vehicle concealed. Is this a felony on 1st offense?
If the handgun is not registered to the person with the CA DOJ, it's a felony.

Scenario 2; Non-Resident person visiting CA with his legally owned gun and is also caught carrying concealed in his vehicle. Keyword here visiting. I assume you can visit with a gun without having to register it here, or is this importing? and is it a felony if he is caught in this scenario?
See answer of Scenario 1.

As a CA resident, you do not have to register your handguns.
But, an unregistered handgun automatically turns a misdemeanor into a felony.
Also, handgun registration is only avialable to CA residents. So, a non-resident caught carrying concealed will always be charged with a felony.

Also, you can not bring any assault weapons or large capacity magazines into CA.
 
I need to know the laws regarding California

The person is asking about the laws. If they intended on breaking the law they wouldn't be asking about them. So why suggest breaking the law? It doesn't help the cause or image of THR, and it doesn't help this person.
 
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