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AOW, a felony right there waiting to happen, but major gun magazines do it too G&A on their cover has one...
Great example G&A, way to promote felonies, and in the article mentions nothing about the legalities of adding a vertical grip to a pistol.
 
ive had one for years on my kel-tec i got it from a gun dealer and i have no special licence and have never been in any trouble for it
 
Hmmmm...That's sweet! I want one! Does that fall into the SBR qualifications? I think that's a whole new ball park if it does.
 
ive had one for years on my kel-tec i got it from a gun dealer and i have no special licence and have never been in any trouble for it
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It is illegal to put a vertical foregrip on a handgun without getting ATF approval and paying the tax for either a "AOW" or possibly a "SBR". (I can't recall which it is, technically)

The reason they sell the foregrip is so you can put it on a RIFLE. Putting the same foregrip on a handgun is ILLEGAL. It is JUST as illegal as making a sawed off shotgun.

The only reason you've "never been in any trouble for it" is because you've just never happened to have the gun around a cop who knows the law well enough to recognize hat it is illegal. All it takes is one time to ruin your whole day, and possibly your life.
 
Yeah, ignorant users post their felonious activities all the time on gunbroker.

There was an AK pistol there a while back with a VFG.

There was a tricked out Glock (you could hardly see it for all the crap strapped to it) there a while back with a VFG, too.
 
I find it ironic that he entitled it the "Ultimate Combat Weapon"...

Maybe he means that it gives you "Real Ultimate Power"...

From http://realultimatepower.net...
Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this ninja who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a ninja totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.



And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you don't believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.



Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee).





Q and A:.





Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about ninjas?

A: Ninjas are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, ninjas are very careful and precise.



Q: I heard that ninjas are always cruel or mean. What's their problem?

A: Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other mammals, ninjas can be mean OR totally awesome.



Q: What do ninjas do when they're not cutting off heads or flipping out?

A: Most of their free time is spent flying, but sometime they stab. (Ask Mark if you don't believe me.)
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This is undeniable proof that the weapon in question is indeed for mall ninjas.
 
Huh, never knew a vertical foregrip on a pistol was illegal. Course, it's also never occurred to me to put one on a pistol, either.
 
Look closely at the "new" pictures. He photochopped the VFG off the gun. Its kind of obvious. He must have gotten a few emails, probably from THR members...
 
We should swamp him with emails, asking why his forward handguard has differing 90-degree cuts out of it depending on the angle in which it was viewed, as well as if he has paid his federal stamp yet.
 
I lost my focus after reading Hank's Ninja post - that stuff is too funny. I guess I never realized that like any mammal the Ninja can be mean or totally awesome - that'll come in handy the next time I run across one.
 
Since when did the addition of a vertical grip on a handgun become a prohibited act?

AOW refers to sawed off shotguns, short barreled shotguns, shotgun pistols or short barreled rifles.

The only thing you can't add to a handgun is a shoulder stock that converts it into a "short rifle". There are exceptions for some listed curios and relics, notably the Broom handle Mauser and P08 Luger which have been made exempt for collectors.

If the firearm was manufactured and sold as a pistol you can put all the do-dads, grips, tripods, etc. you want on it other than a shoulder stock.

If the firearm was manufactured and sold as a rifle or shotgun you need to maintain minimum required overall length and minimum barrel length if you don't want to register it as an AOW.
 
An AOW is:
"...any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the
person from which a shot can be discharged through the
energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a smooth
bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell,
weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12" or
more, less than 18" in length, from which only a single
discharge can be made from either barrel without manual
reloading, and shall include any weapon which may be readily
restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or
revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons
designed, made or intended to be fired from the shoulder and
not capable of firing fixed ammunition." 26 U.S.C. sec.
5845(e).

Thus the question to be answered in deciding if a weapon is an AOW would be, does it fit into any of the three categories below:
1) Is the weapon both not a pistol or revolver, and capable of being concealed on the person?
2) Or is it a smooth bore pistol or revolver? Examples of this include the H&R Handy-Gun, or Ithaca Auto-Burglar gun. This does not include weapons made from a shotgun. That would be a short barreled shotgun. The receiver of a smooth bore pistol, in order to be an AOW, must not have had a shoulder stock attached to it, ever. The shoulder stock attachment deal on a very few H&R Handy Guns, together with a stock, will make them into a short barreled shotgun.
3) Or is it a combination gun, a shoulder fired gun with both rifled and smooth barrels between 12" and 18" long, and which has to be manually reloaded? Examples of this include the M-6 military survival gun, with a single shot barrel in .22 Hornet, and a companion .410 shotgun barrel, as well as most models of the Marble's Game Getter.
 
If the firearm was manufactured and sold as a pistol you can put all the do-dads, grips, tripods, etc. you want on it other than a shoulder stock.
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Nope.

ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.
 
Lets give the libs something to make their collective heads to explode. That is not a vertical for grip. That is a mono pod,as opposed to a bipod, for use by the physically disabled (challenged) individual as a defensive weapon. As the physically challenged individual is wheelchair bound and has only one arm this weapon in this set up is the only way for said individual to defend himself. To make such a weapon set up illegal is clearly a violation of the American with disabilities act and will not be tolerated.


Len
 
Since when did the addition of a vertical grip on a handgun become a prohibited act?

AOW refers to sawed off shotguns, short barreled shotguns, shotgun pistols or short barreled rifles.

The only thing you can't add to a handgun is a shoulder stock that converts it into a "short rifle". There are exceptions for some listed curios and relics, notably the Broom handle Mauser and P08 Luger which have been made exempt for collectors.

If the firearm was manufactured and sold as a pistol you can put all the do-dads, grips, tripods, etc. you want on it other than a shoulder stock.

If the firearm was manufactured and sold as a rifle or shotgun you need to maintain minimum required overall length and minimum barrel length if you don't want to register it as an AOW.
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This is straight off of the ATF Website


http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/041006-vert_grip.htm
 
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