Mark Tyson
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Thank you Mpayne, that clears it up. It's a long way from stoning adulterers isn't it?
Canada preparing to enforce Islamic law
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trooper
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Hmmmmkay... I think we overreacted a bit. This is not to say it couldn't happen, though...
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Andrew Rothman
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Re-read the article at the top of this thread.
Ask yourself this: Did the reporter misunderstand the situation, or did her DELIBERATELY try to get a rise out of people?
Honest mistake? I sure doubt it. My trust for that news source just bit the dust.
Ask yourself this: Did the reporter misunderstand the situation, or did her DELIBERATELY try to get a rise out of people?
Could this be further from the truth?
Honest mistake? I sure doubt it. My trust for that news source just bit the dust.
Gray Peterson
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The latter. World Net Daily is not a trustworthy source of news information. It may have been while the Clinton situation was unravelling 4 or 5 years ago, but not anymore. Now it's all about defending Bush's word as gospel.
Jim March
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WND's credibility bit the dust back in '99, when they were the #1 outlet screaming about the upcoming "Y2K chaos".
Anyways. A lot of the civil disputes in question will probably revolve around Islamic-compatible banking. Technically, muslims are neither allowed to loan or borrow at interest - ANY interest. They've worked out ways around it of late, but the entire concept of "Islamic banking" is still far more complex than we're used to. A good starting point:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/economics/islamic_banking.html
Arbitrators who are used to these forms of finances would be a welcome thing for that community, and it's got to be the #1 way in which Islamic civil law differs from English-derived legal systems.
(Before you think of Islamic finances as weird, remember that Christians used to be barred from loaning money at interest but were free to borrow. Jews were under no prohibitions at all, and hence got into banking in Europe. The entire cultural stereotype of the "greedy Jewish banker" arose from that era (most often unfairly), and some large Jewish banks still trace their roots from that period, such as the Rosthchilds. Basically, Europe's economic dominance over the Arab world beginning around 1,400AD or so was founded almost entirely on Jewish venture capital, as Jews fled the Islamic world's "Dhimmitude"(sp?) and brought their seed money with 'em to loan.)
Anyways. A lot of the civil disputes in question will probably revolve around Islamic-compatible banking. Technically, muslims are neither allowed to loan or borrow at interest - ANY interest. They've worked out ways around it of late, but the entire concept of "Islamic banking" is still far more complex than we're used to. A good starting point:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/economics/islamic_banking.html
Arbitrators who are used to these forms of finances would be a welcome thing for that community, and it's got to be the #1 way in which Islamic civil law differs from English-derived legal systems.
(Before you think of Islamic finances as weird, remember that Christians used to be barred from loaning money at interest but were free to borrow. Jews were under no prohibitions at all, and hence got into banking in Europe. The entire cultural stereotype of the "greedy Jewish banker" arose from that era (most often unfairly), and some large Jewish banks still trace their roots from that period, such as the Rosthchilds. Basically, Europe's economic dominance over the Arab world beginning around 1,400AD or so was founded almost entirely on Jewish venture capital, as Jews fled the Islamic world's "Dhimmitude"(sp?) and brought their seed money with 'em to loan.)
Orthonym
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Please see my post in another thread, I think it's the one about
transporting handguns through that "nation." Maybe we have to hang on to Iraq for a while, but lets pull our guys back from the Balkans and use them to grab Canada. I mean it! I'm over 50 and I'll join up! We could do to the Mexicans as the Mexicans do to the Guatemalans, that is, say, "Keep moving! Get out of here and head to the next country North of here!"
transporting handguns through that "nation." Maybe we have to hang on to Iraq for a while, but lets pull our guys back from the Balkans and use them to grab Canada. I mean it! I'm over 50 and I'll join up! We could do to the Mexicans as the Mexicans do to the Guatemalans, that is, say, "Keep moving! Get out of here and head to the next country North of here!"
Orthonym
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Oh, sorry, Jim,
didn't mean to run the thread out of the channel and into the mud, here.
On reading yr last post, I must protest. Jews are just as bad as all the rest of us. The Scriptures say in several places that you must not charge interest to your own folks but it's perfectly OK to sock it to those other folks. No less a person than Rabbi Daniel Lapin has admitted in writing that, yes, indeed, the Talmud says nasty things about Gentiles, and advises its readers to take every advantage they can when dealing with those uncircumcised heathens.
Well, guess what? When the Christians took over Europe, they forbade everybody to charge or pay interest, except from or to "strangers." Said strangers were - guess who? So here we had Europeans treating Jews right nasty, because of something they (the Europeans) had read in the Pentateuch!
I suppose, if we had time, we could discuss Glastonbury, and Joseph of Arimathea, and how those nasty Romans have.......
Yes, Barbara Tuchman wrote one of her many excellent books about how the English (don't ask ME how) began to identify themselves with the ancient Israelites. Weird people stick together? Accident of history? Who knows?
didn't mean to run the thread out of the channel and into the mud, here.
On reading yr last post, I must protest. Jews are just as bad as all the rest of us. The Scriptures say in several places that you must not charge interest to your own folks but it's perfectly OK to sock it to those other folks. No less a person than Rabbi Daniel Lapin has admitted in writing that, yes, indeed, the Talmud says nasty things about Gentiles, and advises its readers to take every advantage they can when dealing with those uncircumcised heathens.
Well, guess what? When the Christians took over Europe, they forbade everybody to charge or pay interest, except from or to "strangers." Said strangers were - guess who? So here we had Europeans treating Jews right nasty, because of something they (the Europeans) had read in the Pentateuch!
I suppose, if we had time, we could discuss Glastonbury, and Joseph of Arimathea, and how those nasty Romans have.......
Yes, Barbara Tuchman wrote one of her many excellent books about how the English (don't ask ME how) began to identify themselves with the ancient Israelites. Weird people stick together? Accident of history? Who knows?
Jim March
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Hey, I never said they were perfect.
The "SCRIPTURES" say nothing of the kind but I've heard it said there's something in the Talmud in that direction. I'm no Hebrew scholar (or Jewish at all) so I wouldn't know.
I do know that a lot of the European pogroms happened when the local rich Christians found it easier to stir up a lynch mob against the "killers of Jesus" than to pay their gambling debts
. (Rather like what Hitler did later on a "grand scale". 
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But, in an era in which banking had nasty connotations and some Jews were bankers, it's easy to see that some would consider themselves sorta shady already and just "go with it" in a "Merchant of Venice" sorta fashion.
There's screwballs of all races and creeds, no surprise there.
The "SCRIPTURES" say nothing of the kind but I've heard it said there's something in the Talmud in that direction. I'm no Hebrew scholar (or Jewish at all) so I wouldn't know.
I do know that a lot of the European pogroms happened when the local rich Christians found it easier to stir up a lynch mob against the "killers of Jesus" than to pay their gambling debts
. (Rather like what Hitler did later on a "grand scale". )But, in an era in which banking had nasty connotations and some Jews were bankers, it's easy to see that some would consider themselves sorta shady already and just "go with it" in a "Merchant of Venice" sorta fashion.
There's screwballs of all races and creeds, no surprise there.
Orthonym
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Well, as Michael Medved (and many others) have pointed out;
The Christians and Jews have mellowed out a bit over the last thousand years or so, and the Mohammedans haven't.
The Christians and Jews have mellowed out a bit over the last thousand years or so, and the Mohammedans haven't.
longeyes
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Harmless? Or the edge of the wedge? Put it into the context of the times.
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