Child killed mother

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I agree that a proper holster would have prevented this. The child was 2 IIRC from another report so that is probably too young to have a good grasp of firearms safety. This is just a tragedy that I hope the kid doesn't remember when he/she gets older.
 
more excuses for the antis.

gun should be on the body at all times.

who leaves a loaded gun where a 2 year old can get to it?

irresponsible gun owner; she paid the ultimate price, unfortunately.
 
Gun does NOT need to be on body at ALL times.

Gun simply needs to NOT be available to unauthorized persons, regardless of age.

Irresponsible mother was the cause of this tragedy.
 
Might be a good case/situation for having an external safety on a handgun.
 
Heartbreaking story.
Probably a young mother doing her best to protect her & hers.

May well have been something she did drastically wrong, or may have just been one of those one in a million circumstances that all went the wrong way.

Either way.

Stories like that make me thankful for good fortune, because very, very few of us have been perfect enough for a situation like that to not have been at least remotely possible.
 
That's terrible, as with every area of life you have to be extra careful when a small child is around, especially when distracted by several children. It's easy to become complacent, or just forget who's around. Obviously mistakes were made but I've never met anyone who's never made a mistake, just sad this one ended that way. Prayers for her family and children.
 
Seemingly impossible, and the antis are jumping all over this tragedy.

Truth is sometimes stranger than reality... the odds against this are astronomical for the perfect storm to align (irresponsible gun owner, toddler in reach of loaded gun, able to operate it, and actually lethally shoot the mom and have her die)! But apparently confirmed by the store's video surveillance that is exactly what happened.

The logistics seem improbable. Must have been something with a hair trigger and safety off, perhaps a 1911? Or a striker fired gun? No holster?

Lessons learned:
1. Serves as a reminder to keep loaded guns out of reach of toddlers.
2. On body carry and positive control beats off body carry. Purse carry is simply stupid - as purses are generally targets of theft and a purse gun just arms the thief.
3. Pay attention to your kid in the cart. How long was this child basically ignored to be able to accomplish this? Negligent parenting all around.

A reminder that life is random and fragile no matter the steps you take... that woman probably drove with caution to the store (driving being the most dangerous daily activity), and carried a gun to protect her family and herself, but a foolish/cheap/irresponsible decision on manner of carry cost her her life and a scarred mother-less child. Very sad indeed.
 
Did not watch the video so take that into consideration. Stories like this are vague of the important details so a proper holster could have been used but not mentioned. Many purses designed for firearms have built in holsters.
 
Red Wind said:
In 1970, 99.9% of us would not even know it ever happened. The never ending hype. Things happen.
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You don’t think the headline “Two year-old shoots Mother” would not make the AP or UPI wire in 1970? Anyone reading a newspaper in 1970 would have seen this story. I think you are remembering the good ol’ days better than they really were. Do you not recall that there were anti-gun newspapers that supported the GCA of 1968 two full years before 1970 that would have immediately published a story like this?

“Things Happen” is a very callus thing to write about this tragedy regardless of the circumstances that caused it. Such a statement plays right into the hands of the anti-gunners. It gives them one more example to site to make their case that gun people are insensitive brutes that should not be trusted to have firearms. Your comment, while not as harmful to the Pro-2A cause as this incident, is the kind of thoughtless statement that causes harm.
 
The logistics seem improbable. Must have been something with a hair trigger and safety off, perhaps a 1911?
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I ask only for enlightenment. Please delete this post if it's going to get this thread closed.

But, leadcounsel brings up the question that I have pondered over and over since reading this story earlier today. What type of firearm was this? I know it doesn't matter in regards to this tragedy, but maybe knowing - and informing - will save a life in the future.

I only ask because it does matter, in the sense that a toddler was able to have the strength to cause an accidental discharge.

My heart goes out to the family. Knee mail sent......
 
I don't have young kids - but this case would serve notice that those of us who choose to carry CC weapons with a manual safety are not crazy...
People bashed the Shield when it came out because it had a manual safety. So much so that now they are offered with or without. I chose with. One extra layer of protection that possibly could have prevented this tragedy. I look at it like the character who plays Marty Deeks in NCIS LA quoted in one show when asked why he carried a Beretta M9 with a safety - and he said "it saved my life once when a perp wrestled my gun from me and pulled the trigger and it didn't go off because the safety was on"... I know it came from a TV show - but good words nevertheless...
 
I don't think it was irresponsible of the woman to have had her gun in her purse. Most women have their carry piece in their purse. Carrying in a purse is not ideal but sometimes it is the only method available. The problem with that specific scenario is that the toddler somehow got his hands into her purse.

As an aside, I always tell my wife to carry in a coat/jacket pocket in a pocket holster. During the summer months, I would rather have her carry a 32 or a NAA in her pocket than her 40 in her purse. I've drilled it into her head that the purse is a prime target and can get out of her control easily.
 
Racinfan83 said:
I don't have young kids - but this case would serve notice that those of us who choose to carry CC weapons with a manual safety are not crazy...
People bashed the Shield when it came out because it had a manual safety. So much so that now they are offered with or without. I chose with. One extra layer of protection that possibly could have prevented this tragedy. I look at it like the character who plays Marty Deeks in NCIS LA quoted in one show when asked why he carried a Beretta M9 with a safety - and he said "it saved my life once when a perp wrestled my gun from me and pulled the trigger and it didn't go off because the safety was on"... I know it came from a TV show - but good words nevertheless...
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I don't see many people on THR posting about carrying their pistol with a manual safety in their purse.
 
Very careless woman who didn't take the responsibility serious enough, she never thought it out, could have been a perp just as easily.
 
Kids....

Parents, adults & CCW holders-gun owners all need to be alert or cautious around guns and ammunition with children. :mad:
Kids may seem mature or well behaved but all it takes is one brief incident to cause tragic results that last forever.
More parents or relatives(aunts uncles grandparents cousins etc) need to be diligent and aware of their guns at all times.

Over Xmas, I took my new M&P Shield with me on a family trip.
When I got to the home, my 9mm was secured. ;)
I checked my loaded magazines and the gun case often to make sure no one tampered with it or that it was still okay.
The house had up to 5 young kids at one point. None snuck in and took it or wanted to wave it around. If you use common sense or stay alert, you can avoid ADs.
Not carrying guns or cleaning-checking guns around alcohol or prescription drugs is smart. Even without kids, you can avoid tragic mistakes that way too.
 
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Tragic to be sure, but how did a 2 yo manage to pull the trigger?
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This is somewhat puzzling to me too.

I'm not sure I have a handgun in the house a 2-year old could pull the trigger on, unless it was already out of the holster, cocked, and safety off.

I just now tried to get my 68 year old wife to snap an empty SIG P-232 DA and she couldn't do it.
Neither could she snap a Kel-Tec P3AT.

A cocked S&W J-Frame? Sure.

But I still have to wonder what gun it was, was it holstered in the purse, and how a 2-year old did it???

rc
 
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