Completely turned off by Glocks now...

[Lucky 7]

Read the title again, then read on:

Okay I was at the Jacksonville (FL) Sheriff's Office range today with my commands CQB team. While there the 20 of us trying out for the CQB team observed JSO officers missing their targets and clearing the MULTIPLE malfunctions in their Glock .40s (i think thats what they were).

This has brought me to a couple conclusions:
1) Glocks arent as reliable as everyone raves about.
2) If i were ever to commit a crime, its gonna be in Jacksonville

I asked the officers if the malf. were part of the drill and they said no...hmmm is everyone in denial about their ugly plastic toys okay okay im just kidding. Though it makes you wonder...

Regards and Semper Fi!
-L7

 

[TexasRifleman]

I truly dislike Glocks, but if you saw that many malfunctions it was either ammo, user error, or amateur "gunsmithing" because for all the things I dislike about Glocks, reliability isn't one.

They are as rock solid reliable as anything you can buy.

So, you saw problems unrelated to Glocks in my opinion.

Now, you wanna talk about aesthetics.... ugliness abounds. But they go bang with the best of them.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

I'm not that big of a glock fan myself....But you better be careful about what you say, cus I smell this turning into a nasty thread in a hurry.

Oh, and:

Now, you wanna talk about aesthetics.... ugliness abounds. But they go bang with the best of them.

 

[Lucky 7]

lol flame on people!

The CQB teams use an M-9 with an attached PAC-6 so I get a relable AND pretty gun

I can see the amatuer gunsmithing coming into play. However, i dont think user error was a factor (in most cases) as they were mostly salty looking guys and gals.

Semper Fi!
-L7

 

[MartinBrody]

Glocks arent as reliable as everyone raves about.

I have heard the same conclusion from multiple LEOs I know that had this experience at the range. I have also heard about problems with Beretta b/c our state police use them. If H&K or Sig were in as wide spread use as Glock I suspect the conclusions would be the same. But I have never been on a range with 20 street cops using 10 year old H&Ks or Sigs, if anyone has I would like to know their opinion.

 

[Gonefission]

I think you should have started this thread on Glock talk just to see peoples reactions.

I am not a big fan of glocks either. I wouldn't buy one, but I would take one if it was given as a gift.

 

[kastiron]

Ugly? Yep. Plastic? Mostly. Reliable? Absolutely.

I don't care for the looks at all, but I do carry one when I can hide a larger pistol.

For carry, I trust my Glock as much as my S&W642. Neither is a thing of beauty like a 1911, but beauty is not why they were purchased.

Wow, earlier today I found a caliber debate to jump in on for my first post. Now, I get to take part in a "glocks vs. xxx" thread!

Great forum!

By the way... It is hard to account for "limp wristed shooters"! That ought to help with the flames.

EDITED TO ADD: That caliber thread I posted in was Dead since May.. As a newbie I will shut up a while and continue to watch.

 

[MCgunner]

I don't like Glocks particularly either, but I've seen very few malfunctions with 'em at matches and such, a lot more I must say with 1911s of various sorts. I can tell you this about 1911s, the ones that malfunction are 99 percent of the time inexperienced shooters that haven't tested the gun with the ammo they're shooting or don't have it set up. They work 100 percent with the right ammo and properly fitted. But, Glocks are most times out of the box 100 percent even for the duffers. They're designed to work and work they do. I've never owned one, but you cannot go to an IDPA shoot now days and not see dozens of 'em in action. The only other more popular gun is various 1911s in the enhanced class.

Perhaps this department got ahold of some too lightly bargain practice reloaded ammo? That'd be my bet.

Stick around kastiron, you did see the 9mm ain't worth a toot thread didn't ya? How about the Hi Points are pot metal junk threads? Oh, there's Kel Tec, Ruger, Taurus, Smith and Wesson post lock, 1911s, etc are junk, etc, etc, etc. ROFLMAO! Tain't new on any board I reckon. Gun freaks tend to be highly opinionated. I suppose I qualify, too. LOL!

But my favorite posts is "I ain't trustin' my life to a cheap gun" thing. Definition of cheap is up for grabs, but seems to be anything under 1000 bucks for some folks. That rules out Rugers I guess. I'm a dead man, LOL!

 

[knoxx45]

I HATE glocks

But... I respect them.

Now before I get flamed, let me clairify. I restect them because they are reliable and fairly accurate. They can take a beating. But they are UGLY. They feel cheap. And whats with that thing in the trigger? Was that placed there to specifically cause me to hate them? I will never own a glock, Nor do I ever want to shoot one ever again. I, for the most part dislike guns without a hammer or manual saftey. But thats just me, and as much as I would love to rip into glocks, the fact is that all guns are machines. If not properly maintained or fed, the will not run properly. That said, most glocks that I have had the displeasure of shooting or have seen shot, have run like tops when kept clean and fed good ammo. Feed a dirty gun crappy ammo and any gun will FTF or FTE...

Knoxx

 

[gudel]

I consider this as a 'hate' thread and deserves to be locked.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. I'm not a big Glock fan, but in 11 years as a police firearm instructor, I saw quite a few at the range. Most worked just fine, although now and again a trigger spring would break.

I am guessing that the reliability problem witnessed had to do with ammunition.

On two occassions, my department ordered low bid, second-rate, "remanufactured ammunition" from a supplier I'd never heard of. The result was dangerously overloaded cartridges all the way to squib loads along with terrible leading and malfunction after malfunction after malfunction. We never shot all of that ammo. It was sent back and when decent ammunition was supplied, the problems for the most part went away.

Best.

PS: I do not see it as a hate thread...yet. I am hoping that it doesn't degenerate into one.

 

[Hazzard]

I'd have to agree with others here on Glock reliability. I don't own one because of the ergonomics, but many, many people at the range where I shoot do own them and IMO they have less reliability problems than other makes costing much more.

As far as looks? Heck, I don't care if it looks like a big, hairy butt in my hands as long as it goes bang every time and hits what I'm aiming at!

 

[SigfanUSAF]

G-19 9mm. I'll keep it till I die. I'd stake my life on it, and not be heartbroken if I left it in the driveway to be runover!

 

[10-Ring]

A well maintained firearm will function well. I've seen ALOT of diff't guns fail...from SIG's to HK's to Beretta's to Glocks to S&W's. That said, Glocks aren't the prettiest guns on the block but they do tend to be reliable.

 

[HorseSoldier]

The CQB teams use an M-9 with an attached PAC-6 so I get a relable AND pretty gun

I really don't care for Glocks at all (horrible ergomics, in my opinion), but I have to say they're a couple orders of magnitude more mechanically reliable than a Beretta M9.

I've never seen a Glock break. I've seen a ton of Berettas go south, almost always with broken locking blocks, but they're no less broken for it always being the same problem. Saw three fail yesterday before lunchtime on the flat range, actually (though in two cases it was the fault of the ammo, to be fair).

 

[erict]

I started out on Glocks because they are priced fairly, very interchangeable, accerories/mags are plentiful, and they are VERY RELIABLE.

I've owned 4 and now only have 2, not because I don't like them, it's just that I like to try new things.

Both of my Glocks are .40 cal and I've shot well over 3,000 rounds out of them without ONE SINGLE malfunction. I bought them used and one of them is a 2nd gen G22 so I know it's had a ton of rounds through it before I got it(it's a 1994 model iirc).

These guys had to have bad ammo or my opinion is they were limp wristing big time!

I seen this personally and it turned my friend off to Glocks right away. He had 4 or 5 FTF from a couple of mags. I grabbed the gun and emptied a few mags out of it with no hang ups at all.

Glocks are not my favorite brand and come to think about it I don't really have a favorite since they all lack in some little way (to me anyway ), but I'd trust my life with one in a second.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I consider this as a 'hate' thread and deserves to be locked.

It's funny, the OP may have started a hate thread but I have yet to see anyone else say anything but praise for the reliability of the Glocks. Even those of us that don't like the looks can't find anything else wrong with it.

 

[steelhead]

I consider this as a 'hate' thread and deserves to be locked.
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My .45 plastic pistol outperforms your all steel jamomatic .45.

LOL, considering your tag line....... Maybe you should get rid of you own "hate" comments first.

 

[GSD17]

I can only say one thing...

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462537

 

[Stinkyshoe]

We are all gun-owners, and that is our common ground. We should really be more indifferent about each others opinions and gun purchases. By virtue of opportunity, we all are very blessed to choose from an amazing selection firearms. I think we all owe each other a bit more patience. If I dislike a gun for some reason, then I don't ever have to shoot it again. But the next guy might come along and pick it up, fall in love and shoot great with it. Good for him, I am glad he found what works for him.

Ss

 

[M2 Carbine]

Of the 6 or 7 Glocks that I've had personally contact with I was far less than impressed.
The only thing I can say positive about them is they are reasonably accurate.

The Glock is one of several brands of pistols that I will not accept if it was given to me for nothing.
A friend tried to give me his new G17 that was giveing him problems and I turned him down.

Right now he's got a broken guide rail, or some such, in his G19.

 

[erict]

Maybe I'm too used to the Glock trigger by now. I don't know, but one things for sure and that is it's plenty accurate for me.

I shot a few of my pistols the other day when I wanted to shoot my new 340pd. The Glock was shot at the middle target.

 

[M2 Carbine]

I've got some 7-8 year old 115gr FMJ Win White Box. While shooting a few months ago I told my friend to let me run a mag of the WWB through his G19 to see how the ammo does.
From 15 yards the Glock made about a 1.5-2 inch cloverleaf.
When I handed the gun back to my friend I said, Well that's not too bad for a plastic foreign POS.


He went and bought a case of the WWB.
(For a little over $8. No not $8 a box but $8 for a thousand rounds. But that's another story.)

 

[boomstik45]

Yes the glock is ugly. So is the inventor . But I'll be darned if they ain't accurate, reliable, etc. As far as accuracy goes, I think it's more sight picture than a lot of other things. I can shoot the glock accurately with factory sights, but always prefer the three dot configuration. So on go a set of three-dot night sights. Now Sig, that's a fairly good lookin' gun to me. HK looks good too. The Rugers I don't like the look of but they are TOUGH and good shooters. The 1911 dolls up better than almost any pistol I've ever seen, revolvers included. They can look soooo sexy. But know what? You pay to much for that look a lot of times. Function is paramount. So ugly pistols it is in so many cases. Not that 1911s won't function, don't get me wrong. I just won't pay more than I have to for my tools. And most "budget" 1911s won't give me what I want/need.

 

[TimboKhan]

I truly dislike Glocks, but if you saw that many malfunctions it was either ammo, user error, or amateur "gunsmithing" because for all the things I dislike about Glocks, reliability isn't one.

Well, I can't say that I truly dislike Glocks, and neither can I say I like them. I can say that I agree with you on the reliability. Barring ammunition problems, every Glock I have ever shot has worked pretty darn well.