Crime way up in NJ cities - Lack of gun control cited as primary cause

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I offer up this article just to give you an idea of the insanity and straight up lies we face. New Jersey has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country including several of the laws the author suggests are needed yet they point to lack of gun control as the cause of the crime increase in the same state.

Some of the concepts such as ''restricting the sale of powerful weapons'' are so nebulous as to be found palatable by desperate people. So when a legislator offers a ''Bill Restricting the Sale of High Power Weapons'' it seems the solution to the problem to the uneducated.

It is also interesting to note that they point to lack of ''hard working immigrants'' to keep down crime without taking into account the disincentives the government offers to not be ''hard working''.

Anywayyy.... When we speak of media bias against guns this is exactly what we mean.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19513374/

Homicides soar in East Coast cities
Lack of immigrants, shift to anti-terrorism cited as possible explanations
Joseph Kaczmarek / AP
Police investigate a double homicide in the Overbrook section of Philadelphia on June 24, 2007. Baltimore, Philadelphia and other cities in a bloodstained corridor along the East Coast are seeing a surge in killings, say criminal-justice experts.(AP Photo/Joseph Kaczmarek)
The Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA - Baltimore, Philadelphia and other cities in a bloodstained corridor along the East Coast are seeing a surge in killings, and one of the most provocative explanations offered by criminal-justice experts is this: not enough new immigrants.
The theory holds that waves of hardworking, ambitious immigrants reinvigorate desperately poor black and Hispanic neighborhoods and help keep crime down.
It is a theory that runs counter to the widely held notion that immigrants are a source of crime and disorder.
“New York, Los Angeles, they’re seeing massive immigration — the transformation, really, of their cities from populations around the world,” said Harvard sociologist Robert J. Sampson. “These are people selecting to go into a country to get ahead, so they’re likely to be working hard and stay out of trouble.”
It is only a partial explanation for the bloodshed over the past few years in a corridor that also includes Newark, N.J., and Boston, but not New York City.
In interviews with The Associated Press, homicide detectives, criminal justice experts and community activists point to a confluence of other possible factors.
Among them: a failure to adopt some of the innovative practices that have reduced violence in bigger cities; the availability of powerful guns; and a shift in emphasis toward preventing terrorism instead of ordinary street crime.
'They felt immune'
Philadelphia is losing one resident a day to violence, recording 196 homicides through the third week of June. That is slightly ahead of the total at this point in 2006, a year that ended with 406 homicides, the most in almost a decade. On the first day of summer alone, six people were killed in Philadelphia in three street shootings.
In Newark, the homicide toll has soared 50 percent in four years, from 68 in 2002 to 106 in 2006. Baltimore had 140 slayings as of June 10, up from 122 the same time last year. Boston had 75 homicides in 2005, a 10-year high, and 75 in 2006. So far this year, there have been at least 30 slayings.
Some cities “never bothered to institute the reforms, policies and programs that impacted violent crime because they felt immune from what they saw as big-city issues,” said Jack Levin, director of the Brudnick Center on Violence at Northeastern University in Boston. “Now they’re paying the price.”
These efforts include limiting gun purchases, suing rogue dealers and deploying officers more strategically, based on crime data analysis.
Others blame a resigned acceptance of “quality-of-life” crimes, such as running red lights and vandalism. Some law enforcement authorities argue that ignoring such crimes breeds disrespect and cynicism and leads to more serious offenses.
The vast majority of U.S. homicides — nearly 90 percent in Newark last year — involve guns. And they are more powerful than ever. The weapons of choice are semiautomatics that can spray dozens of bullets within seconds.
“We’re seeing 40, 45 shots,” said Richard Ross, Philadelphia’s deputy police commissioner. In one recent killing, “I think they fired 20 shots into him. That’s remarkable.” He added: “For some of these young people, it’s the glamour of it. They want to carry [guns] on their block.”
Shifting resources
Some cite a drop in federal aid for ordinary law enforcement in favor of homeland security spending. According to Ross, federal grants used mostly for police overtime in Philadelphia fell from more than $4 million in 2002 to about $1 million last year.
The number of police officers per capita has fallen 10 percent since 2000 in cities of more than 225,000, according to Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox. Yet post-Sept. 11 fears, especially in Boston, have forced police to monitor government buildings and transportation hubs while also watching for street crime, he said.
“We’ve shifted our resources from hometown security to homeland security,” Fox said. “We have left relatively unattended the poor and powerless who face violence every day and hear gunshots every night.”
University of Pennsylvania criminologist Lawrence W. Sherman is a prime exponent of the theory that immigration exerts a moderating effect on crime among poor black men.
“Cities that have heavily concentrated and segregated African-American poverty are the places that have increases in homicide,” Sherman said. “The places that have lots of immigration tend not to have nearly as much segregation and isolation” of poor blacks.
Sherman acknowledges the theory is evolving and unproven.
“The fundamental driver of the homicide rate is honor killings among young black men,” Sherman said. “What is it about immigration that tends to tone it down? I don’t think we know the answer to it.”
He said immigrants “change the spirit” of a community and affect the way young black men in poor areas relate to each other.
“It seems a plausible way to account for the big difference in the trajectory of homicides” in stagnant cities versus ones with lots of immigration, he said.
'I'm not getting it'
The percentage of foreign-born residents is 11 percent in Philadelphia, compared with 22 percent in Chicago, 37 percent in New York and 40 percent in Los Angeles, according to 2005 census figures.
Alison Sprague, executive director of Victim/Witness Services of South Philadelphia, suggested there is some merit to the theory. Immigrants in Philadelphia tend to be crime victims rather than perpetrators, she said.
“I really do think the vast majority of people are trying to earn a living and support their families and stay under the radar,” Sprague said. Illegal immigrants, especially, “have every motivation not to get involved in something.”
Dorothy Johnson-Speight of Philadelphia, whose 24-year-old son was shot to death over a parking space in 2001, doesn’t buy it.
“If there were more immigrants in the city of Philadelphia, there would be less violence? I’m not making the connection here. I’m not getting it,” she said.
'Their own devices'
In New York, city leaders have pushed through strict gun-control laws while attacking social ills such as littering and loitering. New York’s homicide toll has plummeted to one-fourth its 1990 high of 2,245. The count could slip below 500 this year.
Just across the Hudson River, in Newark, the poverty and employment picture remains grim. Unemployment hit 18 percent in 2004, and 27 percent of families live in poverty. New York’s unemployment rate, by contrast, was 4.9 percent in May.
“The second-tier cities have fewer economic possibilities for people,” said Arlene Bell, a former prosecutor who now runs youth centers in Philadelphia. “When there are no opportunities for kids growing up, no possibility of entering the work force — particularly with their level of education — they’re left to their own devices.”
Chicago, whose jobless rate was 4.7 percent in May, has seen its death toll drop sharply from the first part of the decade, when more than 600 homicides were recorded for three straight years. The city had 467 homicides in 2006, and this year the numbers are running about even.
Similarly, Los Angeles, where unemployment stood at 4.7 percent last month, recorded 481 homicides in 2006 — less than half the number seen in the early 1990s. By mid-June of this year, the city had 172 killings.
 
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How about "restricting the presence of gang members, restricting the presence of drug dealers, and other gangsta wanna-bes"

Fix the poverty, ignorance, teen pregnancy, and drug use and you won't have a murder problem. :banghead:
 
This is more of a political issue than a crime issue. Guns are big are a huge revenue maker for the gun industry, they will sell their guns to anyone whether it's legal or illegal. Crime is up in every state in the US, the BG's are going to get them either by stealing them or buying them illegally. 10yrs ago I wouldn't have even though about carrying a gun but now I do.
A good example is last night two people were walking down a Columbus OH street a kid on a bike grabs the woman's purse, they chase him down and stop the kid, he turns around a points a small caliber hand gun on them, they stop and the kid takes off on foot.
The point is this kid, 14~17 yrs old got a gun, he sure didn't buy it, so where and how did he get it. I would feel very sorry for the victims if one of them were armed and shot him, The news would be all over it like flys on crap "child shot by armed adult". It would make no difference if the victim was right. Public opinion has already convicted the victim of manslaughter.
 
XD said- ''Guns are big are a huge revenue maker for the gun industry, they will sell their guns to anyone whether it's legal or illegal''

Please explain I am confused.
 
Sorry, but the title of your thread is either inaccurate or misleading

The only city in NJ that is mentioned is Newark.
 
XD said- ''Guns are big are a huge revenue maker for the gun industry, they will sell their guns to anyone whether it's legal or illegal''


I am also interested in XD explaining this. Gun manufacturers only sell guns to licensed distributors, dealers, military, and LE agencies directly. How does this relate to guns on the street?
 
Fix the poverty, ignorance, teen pregnancy, and drug use and you won't have a murder problem.

If that were true, they'd have murder problems in every small town as well... Granted, those things are factors and they certainly don't help the situation, but methinks there's a little more to it than that.
 
XD said:
Guns are big are a huge revenue maker for the gun industry, they will sell their guns to anyone whether it's legal or illegal.

I think XD's been smokin or drinkin somethin...

this is just the liberal pantysie pinko crap we deal with all the time, bombard their editor with mail. hundreds of thousands of letters, then he won't be able to get out of his office and won't print anymore of this crap :D
 
ALL of the dealers I have EVER bought from would ABSOLUTELY refuse to sell to any person they even THOUGHT might not be "straight-up"!

As to the "news" article: it's 30 June; no hurricanes in sight; idiot "journalist" with nothing to do and voila! -- intstant "summer crime wave". I believe this habit started with Gutenberg. . . . :banghead:
 
'Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic' at it's worst.

If the object of gun control laws is the reduction of gun crimes, then mandatory additional sentences of 25 years without parole for any felony committed with a firearm would do it!

If the object of gun control laws is actually control of the citizens by their government, then laws which restrict ownership and use of firearms by that subject people are what is required.

It's pretty obvious what is going on here.
 
Not enough new immigrants? HUH?

NJ is something like 20% immigrant!

The thing is, those immigrants who are hardworking and industrious know better than to move into a blighted area, and being industrious, have the means to live elsewhere!

What are these people smoking?


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Also, in addition to being 1/5 immigrant, NJ's got a weird thing going on: Surprisingly, they don't have a single city with a million or more people in it, despite the heavy density and blight. Elizabeth/Newark has like 700k people, and that's it. Most of their cities are in the 250k-400k size. The Elizabeth/Newark metroplex has actually LOST half its population, they had like 1.5 million in the late 60's early 70's.

Most cities that scale elsewhere in America are in pretty good order, not the wreckage you see in NJ.

There are some deeply strange things happening in that state.
 
This article contains a lot of the normal falsehoods, but also contains some interesting topics for discussion. The falsehood that really gets to me is the appearance that this article is blaming the recent defeat of the immigration reform bill as a failed solution to the increase of crime. How is that for propaganda?
 
Most of the northern part of NJ is just one big city. That why you don't get the large population in just one place, its dense everywhere. I spent 22 years 15 minutes north of Newark, Its bad but just like the rest of the country, its getting progressivly worse. Moving to FL, the only difference is that the bad areas in NJ are projects, the bad areas here are trailor parks. But i can tell you is my old city, Garfield, now employs 95 police officers.
Garfield, NJ
Population 2000: 29,786
Square miles: 2.13
Metro area: New York

95 cops for 2.13 square miles
 
It's not a gun problem, it's a cultural/social issue. When these folks decide that out-of-wedlock children being raised by poor teenage mothers is unacceptable, things will change. As the article mentions, many of the murders are gang related honor killings among young males. These kids don't have a strong male parental influence in their lives and their sub culture seems akin to Lord of the Flies. Unfortunately, when somebody like Bill Cosby tries to affect some change, he get villified by the likes of Jesse and Al and get accussed of being a rapist. You can't help people when they won't admit that that they have a problem and are willing to stand up to it.
 
Yeah, everyone knows that running red lights is a "gateway crime" to harder crimes such as murder :rolleyes:

Personally, I think we should just seal off some of those neighborhoods and let the residents have at each other and figure it out for themselves.
 
Here's the first link. I think it's 1 trillion dollar industry. That's per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_trade
Results 1 - 10 of about 5,100,000

The one below gives statistics on gun sales throughout the world.
www.fas.org

About 6 mths ago I was watching the History channel on MS-13 and another one on NGC regarding Interpol. Both had some pretty good information on illegal guns and how they get into the US even though the Arms industry knew they were making illegal sales.

And no I don't smoke or drink.
 
Crime is up to all-time record levels in nearly every gun-free or gun-impaired location. More of the same will bring them more of the same.
 
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