Cugir Factory to shut down AK production?

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This could be speculation or perhaps intended to create panic-buying, but this is the latest from the Classicarms guy. Is the Romanian AK pipeline in danger of drying up?? Are we going to see WASRs going for $500 someday? :eek:

I have to hear your thoughts on this. There are enough AK lovers here to be concerned about this.


http://www.classicarms.us/

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH AK RIFLES?.
THE AK RIFLE MARKET HAS BEEN CRAZY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AND FOR GOOD REASON. I HAVE KNOWN WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE THAT HAS CREATED THIS SITUATION BUT WAS NOT AT LIBERTY TO POST AN EXPLIANATION UNTIL NOW. THIS IS THE STORY AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THE MAIN SOURCE OF AK RIFLES INTO THE U.S. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN THE COUNTRY OF ROMAINIA AND PARTICULLARLY THE CUGIR FACTORY WHICH WAS A STATE RAN MANUFACTURING PLANT. THEY HAD CONTRACTS WITH THE IMPORTERS HERE AND WERE BUILDING AK RILES FOR EXPORT TO THE CIVILIAN U.S. MARKET.OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THEY HAVE SHIPPED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AK RIFLES INTO THE U.S.
FOR SOME TIME NOW ROMAINIA HAS DESIRED AND BEEN PETITIONING TO BECOME A NATO MEMBER NATION. ONE OF THIER ROADBLOCKS HAS BEEN THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PRODUCING LOW PRICED AK RIFLES FOR EXPORT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY TO THE U.S. CIVILIAN MARKET. I AM TOLD THAT THE POWERS THAT BE IN WASHINGTON HAD MADE IT CLEAR THAT AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUED THIS FOR PROFIT "PROLIFERATION" OF AK RIFLES INTO THE U.S. THAT THE U.S. WOULD CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THEIR ENTRY INTO NATO. FRANKLY THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT THAT AND THEY CONTINUED TO BUILD FOR A LONG TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THE CASH FLOW THAT THE SALES OF THE RIFLES PROVIDED. THAT IS UNTIL RECENTLY. LATE LAST YEAR A MAJOR AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER SET UP A NEW FACTORY IN ROMAINIA. THEY COULD NOT DO ALL OF THE WORK IN HOUSE AND DECIDED TO JOBBER OUT BUILDS ON SOME OF THEIR STEEL PARTS TO A NEARBY FACTORY. WHEN CUGIR WAS APPROACHED WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RE-TOOL AND MAKE AUTO PARTS INSTEAD OF RIFLES THEY JUMPED AT IT. IT SOLVED THEIR POLITICAL DELIMMA WHILE ALLOWING THEM TO MAINTAIN A REVENUE FLOW. AS OF ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO THE CUGIR FACTORY IS DONE WITH FIREARMS MANUFACTURING AND ALL OF THE ROMAINIAN AK PRODUCTS ARE DRYING UP FAST.
ON ANOTHER FRONT. CENTURY ARMS HAS HAD AN ONGOING AND VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT GOING WITH THEIR YUGO B-1 AND AB-2 AK BUILD RIFLES. UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE ONLY A FINITE NUMBER OF KITS TO BUILD THESE RIFLES WITH AND THOSE KITS ARE NOW EXHAUSTED. CENTURY'S YUGO RIFLE PROJECT IS NOW DONE. AS I WRITE THIS WE NOW ARE OUT OF THE UNDERFOLD RIFLES AND ONLY HAVE LESS THAN 100 OF THE B-1 RIFLES IN STOCK.
SO WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD?. MY EDUCATED GUESS IS THAT WE WILL SOON SEE SOME U.S. MADE AK RIFLES COMING TO THE MARKET. BY THAT I DON'T MEAN ENOUGH PARTS TO BE U.S. COMPLIANT, BUT COMPLETELY MADE IN THE UNITEDS STATES. THE PROBLEM IS THAT SINCE NO MORE PART SETS CAN BE IMPORTED INTO THE COUNTRY WITH BARRELS INTACT, AND SINCE THERE AREN'T THAT MANY PARTS SETS LEFT HERE WITH BARRELS, THEN ANY NEW BUILDS WILL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE U.S. BARRELS. COMBINE THAT WITH ADDITIONAL U.S. PARTS, FURNITURE AND U.S. LABOR. AND YOU HAVE A VERY EXPENSIVE U.S. MADE AK RIFLE. I WOULD ALSO GUESS THAT MOST IF NOT ALL OF THESE RIFLES WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF POLY STOCK SINCE WOOD STOCKS MADE IN THE U.S. WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE. UNFORTUATELY WHEN THESE LAST IMPORTS SELL OUT I REALLY THINK THE DAYS OF THE INEXPENSIVE AK RIFLE ARE GONE.
NONE OF THIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE AND THE FACT THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE A STRONG PRO-GUN CANDIDATE LEFT IN THE RACE. THIS TOO DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR THE FUTURE OF THESE TYPES OF RIFLES.

FORTUNATELY WE STILL HAVE A FEW AK RIFLES LEFT IN STOCK AND WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO HOLD THE PRICE. BUT DON'T WAIT. THEY ARE SELLING FAST. SEE A COMPLTETE LISTING OF OUR AVAILABLE AK RIFLES BELOW.
 
Let me get this straight...

According to Ben, the U.S. government is using the LEGAL importation of AK kits as a weapon against the Romainians? *Straps on tin-foil hat and cinches*

I want names of the ***** in our gov't who are using these types of elitist NWO tactics.
 
This is what I found over at Ak47.net. I am not vouching for or against the veracity of the original poster.

Originally Posted By Exothermia:
Cugir of Romania is not closed. It was bought. The government of Romania owned Cugir from their communist days and it has now been privatized. As a result they are now taking orders for NATO weapons in 5.56 and 7.62 NATO for other countries. They will not stop selling us guns as the American civilian market makes up a huge portion of their exports. But they may be delayed or increased in price because of filling other contracts.

Here's a link to a news article about it:

http://romaniandaily.ro/cat30760/112488546840133062/
 
I'd love the opportunity to get a US made AK. I figure they could still use foreign-sourced bolts and bolt carriers, as well as magazines, but I'm not sure why an AK with a US made receiver, FCG, barrel, gas tube, and furniture would run more than an AR of midlevel quality (as in Bushmaster and so on, not as in Colt and LMT). I'd expect higher quality out of it than we generally see in current parts kit builds anyway.
 
You can get US-made AKs built from new parts kits... but they'll run you about $900 or so.

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As a result they are now taking orders for NATO weapons in 5.56 and 7.62 NATO for other countries. They will not stop selling us guns as the American civilian market makes up a huge portion of their exports.

Higher quality 5.56mm AK's soon?:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
 
I'd expect higher quality out of it than we generally see in current parts kit builds anyway.

Saiga, my good man. Brand new and built on the same machines that make the AK-100 series weapons for the Russian Army.
 
:what:BS Alert!:what:


I like Ben over at Classic Arms, but I was doing a little digging and Romania joined NATO years ago in 2004. Hardly a political dilemma in 2008. Maybe he just got some bad info.
 
also , this plant makes the stg 2000 and the 2000-c's. they come in 762.39, 556, 762.54, and 762 nato. Since I have two unconverted Saigas in the first two, I may have to get the two latter.
So since they are brand new being imported by InterOrdinance, i would doubt that they are closing this plant down.
 
A vote is like a rifle; Its usefulness depends upon the character of the user

If they are all like my WASR 10 then it's just as well the place closes down.........

Win much?


lol... Sorry, just had to. Not calling you useless, just noticed the irony.


We now return to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
Sorry, just had to. Not calling you useless, just noticed the irony.

Well personally I think it's a stretch to call this WASR of mine a "rifle".

Paperweight maybe, noise maker probably, but at 8-10MOA it doesn't really qualify as a "rifle".
 
Info from Classic Arms

Not sure what the real deal is, Romania has been a NATO member since 3/29/04....
 
I was totally turned off by the Romanian AK's when the SAR-1 (superior to the WASR cut-outs) began exceeding $350. The idea is, you give up fit, finish and feel as well as some trigger-slap and other annoyances to get a dirty cheap rifle that works. Bump the prices up, and well it's just not worth it.

Should have bought a few more when they were $275. And that was the gun-show pricing around here, which is always marked up well beyond market norms.

WASR for $500?!? Ridiculous. Sounds to me like we're going to see a whole lot more "Which AR should I buy" threads pretty soon as many in the AK camp are going to start converting over.

Those that got guns will keep them and likely never need to replace them. But for the younger guys reading up on the web and getting all psyched up to buy their first "EBR" the AK is losing ground due to all this import nonsense and scarcity.

Of course, there are still Arsenal's out there. They've doubled in price too, but at least you're getting a top-notch AK for roughly the price of a decent AR-15.


Good for domestic builders of AR-15's and all the companies selling gizmos and accessories (massive market right now) ...bad for the consumer who wants the AK platform in a package finished a little better and not outrageously priced.


Last option is really the Saiga. Great rifle. Caveat of course is you must convert it and that is an obsticle for a lot of people despite the process being quite simple and easy. Again, you get a top-notch AK, but you trade low price for the hassle of buying the parts and gunsmithing it yourself.
 
I like Ben over at Classic Arms, but I was doing a little digging and Romania joined NATO years ago in 2004. Hardly a political dilemma in 2008. Maybe he just got some bad info.
Yup, Romania joined in '04. More unprofessional behavior from Classic Arms. :(

I suppose if you can't type using paragraphs and upper and lower case letters, you can't do a Google search about Romania and NATO.
 
I think he, or whoever he got that story from, might have meant the EU instead of NATO--I could see how they have joined or hope to soon get in on the EUtopia, and the EU seems like a much more likely culprit of being jerks about that. What that other country that recently had to grind up those beautiful piles of Makarovs?

Either way, Bulgaria just joined the EU, and we're still gettin' guns from Arsenal.
 
Beagle-zebub said:
I think he, or whoever he got that story from, might have meant the EU instead of NATO--I could see how they have joined or hope to soon get in on the EUtopia, and the EU seems like a much more likely culprit of being jerks about that.
The Cugir factory is no longer government owned. They are taking new work (not arms related) which may cause some shuffling.
 
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