CZ 75BD Police FTE

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Had a pretty new XDM 9mm that I just did not like. Have a XD40 that I love, but the XDM 9 just felt weird to me when I fired it. It sounds strange but for a 9mm to me it seemed to have too much flip in the muzzle. Bothered the hell out of me. My XD 40 has less perceived recoil to me.

So I trade it for a "new" 75BD Police w/ night sites.

After about 25 rounds down the pipe I started getting FTE's. This happened periodically while shooting 150 rounds of WWB.

Take it home clean it, inspect the chamber, make sure the extractor isn't messed up, and back to the range.

Another 160 rounds through the pipe with mixed ammo. Winchester, Federal, Hornady, Remington. Still a bunch of FTEs, but mostly with Winchester White Box.

It actually appears that the round being extracted gets hung up on the next round to be fed from the mag. This causes the slide to stick open without fully ejecting the case or loading the next round.

I'm really disappointed because this gun feels great in the hand, and I shoot much better with it than the XDM.

Any ideas? How do you find out if the gun is under warranty from CZ?
 
Might be your extractor spring.

Some CZs have problems with extraction and WWB.
My 75 Stainless..

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Didn't like aluminum Blazer, but fed everything else
I could stuff into it just fine.

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CZ-USA will probably send you a new spring.
An easy install but you might want a gunsmith to do it
for a few bucks.

Another option would be to find another brand of practice ammo
like Blazer Brass or UMC. Of which I find cheaper and cleaner than
WWB that often have small case heads and give fits to other guns as well.
 
Weak springs are fairly common on CZ's. A lot of people change out all of them including mag springs just to be safe.
 
No, not really common, but on some of the older, especially military contract ones, the extractors were weak. I have never had to swap a single spring, and thats with 7 CZ pistols over the years. :) Call 1-800-955-4486, ask for Mike Eagleshield, see what he can do for you. Another possabilty, is crud under the extractor, clean well underneath it with a stiff bristled brush and solvent, might help quite a bit, if it came to you used.
 
Will try all...

Just found out the original owner changed the spring from 14lb factory to and 18lb aftermarket spring. This could have something to do with WWB being the main culprit.

Cleaned tonight and paid special care to the extractor.

Is it bad to shoot steel cased wolf out of a CZ 75BD Police? Did not see anything in the manual, only that ammo should meet certain "standards".
 
i am seeing this happen on brand new guns , its quite common , no ones offered a sure fix as yet , bad mags ? weak springs ? crud ? not enough lube ? who knows??? :confused::scrutiny::mad:
 
Personally, I'd take out and stretch the extractor spring a bit, until you can get a new one from CZ-USA or Wolff.

You have to know that CZUB makes guns to mil/police specs.
Most Euro cops use only one or two duty anf practice loads, ever.
 
My CZ 75B was very tight for about the first 1,000 rounds. It absolutely would not feed Speer Gold Dot. I had FTE's wit just about everything but 115gr FMJ RN.

I haven't had any FTE's since then though.
 
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V45C, cites? I haven't seen a rash of new failures, a few very minor teething issues with the P07, quickly fixed, (without a Ruger style recall), but the spring thing was quite some time ago.
 
I've shot pistol competitions for over two decades. I've owned nine CZ's and have put lots of rounds through them. Not one thousand, not five thousand, but LOTS. One pistol had 30,000 rounds through it before I sold it.

So what have I learned?

I wouldn't shoot Winchester White Box if you gave it to me. Not in a CZ or XD anyway.

Now on to the CZ extraction system. I won't shoot a CZ unless I first put a Wolff extractor spring in it. People will argue against this until they are blue in the face but my experience indicates that the three dollars and three minutes you spend changing the extractor spring is the best thing you can do to ensure reliability. Yeah I know there are some people with low round count guns that haven't had troubles but those I believe are statistically insignificant. Funny how guns that don't get used are so reliable, isn't it?

Now on to maintenance. Although I wouldn't call it a "design flaw" I have found the CZ extraction system requires more rigorous maintenance than other pistols to keep performing reliably. Crud does accumulate behind the extractor.

Here's what I do. Every time I clean the pistol I insert a spent casing onto the breech face, then I use Gun Scrubber with the plastic tube attached to blow out the area behind the extractor thoroughly.

At 3000 - 4000 round intervals I remove the extractor, clean the channel thoroughly with Q tips, and put in a fresh spring.
 
FWIW, my (pre-B) 75 has never failed to feed or extract cheap generic ammo in the 22 years I've owned it. Not the most accurate pistol I own, but very reliable.
 
Gary C23 - I have heard numerous people say the exact same 2 things that you said.

Gunk build up behind the extractor, and change the extractor spring. In fact I have read so much about the extractor spring that it is my #1 priority to fix it. I have already ordered 3 from Wolff. I also ordered a factory recoil spring as an 18lb spring may contribute to reliability with light loads.

Not only does Wolff make a stiffer extractor spring for the 75BD, but apparently so does CZ.

After the first 150 rounds(that I shot) I thought I cleaned the pistol well; however, after reading more about the gunk build up behind the extractor, and after the second set of 150 that I put down the pipe I paid special attention the the extractor. Sure enough... residue was caked in there so much it almost looked natural. Keep in mind I have never cleaned a CZ, so I did not know what to look for. I probably spent 20 min just cleaning that small spot.

Makes me also wonder about just how many rounds the previous owner put through the weapon. I have never seen that thick of a build up after 200 rounds. I might believe it if just came out of cosmoline, but come on.

The whole deal really kind of erks me. I have not had a chance to shoot again, but I have a new policy. Never buy a gun from someone who doesn't clean it before they try to sell it to you. If I come to the conclusion that lack of maint was the issue, I'll make sure this guy gets a little talking to.

Anyways... how hard is it to swap out the extrator spring?
 
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