Snejdarek
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A new CZ is coming to the market... this time striker fired.
CZ P10
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railroader
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Wooo Hooo. I love my CZs. I see a new one in my future.
Panzerschwein
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Guys I forsee this to be the game changer we've all been looking for.
MilitaryArms
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It's neat, but I don't know about a "game changer". I detect a bit of sarcasm in your virtual voice.
Here's how I see the pistol in the market. While I can't say it's "better" than anything else currently out there for a number of reasons, most notably of them being my limited experience with it, I can say it's going to likely take a bite out of Glock's, M&P's and the XD's market.
There are a couple of reasons for this.
1) Price. It's hitting the market at a $500 MSRP which means once the craziness settles down it will sell for $460 to $475 at most shops. That's seriously competitive.
2) Ergonomics. The Glock simply isn't ergonomic for most people, even the fans. As for the M&P and XD, well, they're also more ergonomic than the Glock so the P10 really doesn't have much on them in this department.
3) Trigger. The trigger on this gun is on par with the PPQ. The Glock and M&P both suffer from spongy triggers and the P10 doesn't. I'm curious to see if the production P10's have the same amazing trigger than the pre-production samples I shot did. If so, this will attract buyers for sure.
Aside from that, it's just another striker fired handgun like so many others. What makes it unique is that it's from CZ, a company that's known for quality and has a substantial user base. Their pistols based on the 75 series simply can't be made or imported fast enough to keep up with demand. The P10 will certainly appeal to many of these buyers, although I've seen a fairly pronounced backlash from some CZ loyalists who claim it's "not a CZ" because of the striker and because the rails aren't inverted. Sooo... we shall see how that all plays out over time.
Considering that the presumably more expensive to produce hammer-fired P-07 is closer to $400, you would think that CZ would follow HK's lead in keeping the striker gun even cheaper.
MilitaryArms
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That would be logical, but CZ has announced the pricing for the P10 and it's currently $500 MSRP. Perhaps they will lower the price over time.
I've not seen the dealer pricing from distributors yet, but I suspect dealer cost will be in the $420 neighborhood. That means some places like Buds Gun Shop might sell it for $20 over cost and they will be closer to $400.
armoredman
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It will cheapen up - CZ MSRP is usually higher by a wider margin over what the actual price on the market shows. It will be interesting to see how this gun goes over, especially with the older CZ generation, as it is so completely different than anything else CZ has brought out. We thought the P-07 was the wildest thing they had done - this out "wow"s that by a wide margin, and shows a new direction for the parent company.
Wilder than the DA/SA striker fired CZ 110?
brianjkeene
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It's neat, but I don't know about a "game changer". I detect a bit of sarcasm in your virtual voice.
Here's how I see the pistol in the market. While I can't say it's "better" than anything else currently out there for a number of reasons, most notably of them being my limited experience with it, I can say it's going to likely take a bite out of Glock's, M&P's and the XD's market.
There are a couple of reasons for this.
1) Price. It's hitting the market at a $500 MSRP which means once the craziness settles down it will sell for $460 to $475 at most shops. That's seriously competitive.
2) Ergonomics. The Glock simply isn't ergonomic for most people, even the fans. As for the M&P and XD, well, they're also more ergonomic than the Glock so the P10 really doesn't have much on them in this department.
3) Trigger. The trigger on this gun is on par with the PPQ. The Glock and M&P both suffer from spongy triggers and the P10 doesn't. I'm curious to see if the production P10's have the same amazing trigger than the pre-production samples I shot did. If so, this will attract buyers for sure.
Aside from that, it's just another striker fired handgun like so many others. What makes it unique is that it's from CZ, a company that's known for quality and has a substantial user base. Their pistols based on the 75 series simply can't be made or imported fast enough to keep up with demand. The P10 will certainly appeal to many of these buyers, although I've seen a fairly pronounced backlash from some CZ loyalists who claim it's "not a CZ" because of the striker and because the rails aren't inverted. Sooo... we shall see how that all plays out over time.
The biggest difference I am hoping for between this and XD/PPQ/M&P is the often talked about (and substantiated) glock 19 size. Point blank, nothing still has yet to get to the 19s size efficiency. Based upon the video, the p10 seems to have the controls figured out (slim and placed correctly) but the size does seem to still be ever so slightly larger than the 19. It seems like this gun may be sized right between the 19 and PPQ? If that's the case with the size, combined with a low bore axis, great trigger, and existing holster support - then I'd call it a winner and a real g19 competitor for carry. This coming from someone who carries a p320.
ClickClickD'oh
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Well... I'm just going to have to hide funds so the wife doesn't find out until it's too late. Not buying one isn't an option.
papaairbear
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I love the trigger on my PPQ so I'll be watching the reviews closely when they start hitting the market. That one's tough to beat.
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armoredman
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RX-79G said:
Actually, the DA/SA CZ 110 was never imported into the US to the best of my limited knowledge - the DAO CZ-100 was. I had one. Very interesting sidearm with everything the original customer country had asked for, except the required trigger mechanism was HORRIBLE. It was very difficult to use accurately for me due to the obnoxious trigger pull. It was even worse than my CZ-70! It had some very interesting and weird things incorporated, like the belt slide racking doodad on the slide.
The very few people I know personally who have actually laid fingers on the CZ P-10C said the trigger is incredible and smooth. I have not seen one in person, so I have no idea. Maybe I'll get to see one in a few months, maybe not.
jhb
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It's neat, but I don't know about a "game changer". I detect a bit of sarcasm in your virtual voice.
Here's how I see the pistol in the market. While I can't say it's "better" than anything else currently out there for a number of reasons, most notably of them being my limited experience with it, I can say it's going to likely take a bite out of Glock's, M&P's and the XD's market.
There are a couple of reasons for this.
1) Price. It's hitting the market at a $500 MSRP which means once the craziness settles down it will sell for $460 to $475 at most shops. That's seriously competitive.
2) Ergonomics. The Glock simply isn't ergonomic for most people, even the fans. As for the M&P and XD, well, they're also more ergonomic than the Glock so the P10 really doesn't have much on them in this department.
3) Trigger. The trigger on this gun is on par with the PPQ. The Glock and M&P both suffer from spongy triggers and the P10 doesn't. I'm curious to see if the production P10's have the same amazing trigger than the pre-production samples I shot did. If so, this will attract buyers for sure.
Aside from that, it's just another striker fired handgun like so many others. What makes it unique is that it's from CZ, a company that's known for quality and has a substantial user base. Their pistols based on the 75 series simply can't be made or imported fast enough to keep up with demand. The P10 will certainly appeal to many of these buyers, although I've seen a fairly pronounced backlash from some CZ loyalists who claim it's "not a CZ" because of the striker and because the rails aren't inverted. Sooo... we shall see how that all plays out over time.
glocks are very ergonomic. the only people i see complain are stubborn 1911 type shooters cause they cant adjust and adapt to the grip angle easily. so they complain.
im not seeing the point of this cz though. market is crowded already. id rather see cz bring out a full size 5+" high cap 10mm and compete with the glock 20. im one of the few though that would rather see more crowding in the 10mm market.
The point is to cash in on CZ's fans and followers by offering the most popular pistol format right now. Whether any consumer decides that CZ's take on the Glock paradigm is a better choice than the Springfield, Steyr, Glock, HK, DB, FN, Ruger, Beretta, S&W or Walther's solution will be up to them.
papaairbear
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It comes from country that gave us roller locked (adopted in making MG 38/42) and double action system (adopted by Walther in PPK and P38) pistols so functional quality of this gun doesn't surprise me. If one is in market for large duty size striker fired pistol this will no doubt be a fine choice. I will not get one because I have two carry handguns and one range gun which for me is plenty.
Which guns are you talking about for the first DA semi and roller locked action?
Right. So what did the Czecks give us in either category? If the PP came out in 1929 and the MG-34 in 1934, what had the Czech "brought us" that the Germans didn't already invent?
MilitaryArms
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What manufacturers have learned is that all sorts of people claim they want a 10mm until it comes time to buy said 10mm. 10mm's linger on shelves, mostly due to cost of ownership. The companies that have made them usually stop making them because of poor sales. I love 10mm, but I only have a couple of guns in the caliber. 90% of my handguns are 9mm.
You're one of the few who think a Glock is ergonomic right out of the box. Stop shooting a Glock for a few months and shoot something else. When you go back to the Glock you'll realize the gun is lacking in the ergonomics department. The only people I encounter that claim Glocks are as ergonomic as other guns on the market are the diehard fans. The honest fans will even tell you it's an acquired taste. Few people have picked them up for the first time and said "this fits my hand like a glove!"
I learned how to shoot them and I shoot them well. I own more Glocks that any other handgun type. I carried a G19 for a decade. However, I also know there are other FAR more ergonomic pistols on the market. Pick up a CZ75 and tell me it's not infinitely more comfy than a G17. If you think the G17 fits your hand better, I say you're fibbing.
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