defense outside the home under 21

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I agree with bikerdoc, re-read post # 15.

That said, if the situation is as bad as you make out, you are inviting death if you start carrying and make it "known" to "protect" yourself.
 
So you understand my desire to have some sort of weapon not something that burns their eyes something that creates such a reason for them to leave me alone that their 3 friends decide to leave as well

Believe it or not, a good number of gangbangers aren't at all intimidated by having a gun displayed in front of them, pointed at them or even fired at them. It's not a new thing at all for many gang members and street thugs, they have lived with that sort of thing all their lives, been threatened, shot at, cut, stabbed, and even shot before. They've seen as much violence as some combat vets, and it's nothing new to them (http://www.stoppingpower.net/commentary/comm_cop_killers.asp).
 
When I was fourteen, I had a 'harassment period' in my life that lasted another eighteen months or so, and probably had me in the state of mind you are currently in. It too involved four JD (juvenile delinguents, as they were called then) types. Solutions then --some fifty years ago, and in a small town--aren't applicable to you now, I suspect. 'Informal' legal intervention by the local PD solved that one. Would such a thing help you now?

I'll go along with the comments to look again at post 15, and I'll add to that to think about (in fact, come back and discuss here, in this thread) the tag line in Lee Lapin's signature line. In other words, get the mind organized to deal with this, and start figuring out a longer term solution.

Jim H.
 
Sorry there just isn't any way for you to carry a firearm. Not until you are 21.

Your only legal option for concealed carry are pepper spray, a taser, or stun gun.

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If you decide to skirt the law and carry a concealed firearm you will commit a third degree felony. You might beat the shooting as self defense, I doubt you will beat the concealed firearm charge.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/790.01

Put it into perspective, you may survive with an illegal firearm on the street. But you won't be allowed to bring it into prison with you.

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These guys have given excellent advice with avoiding by going an extra few blocks. Legal self defense items, pepper spray, cane, avoidance, and training.


Sometimes you just have to make do with what you can.
 
Sobel said:
So I should let them kill me because if i kill them ill just get killed later down the line. America certainly has some real smart lawmakers notice how i didn't say they got stabbed one was where a man was beaten by 3-4 men the other was shot so either way im most likely dead till im 21 then ill be able to actually defend myself. or i could spray them in the eyes with pepper spray and hope i get every single one.
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I didn't say the law is in your favor, or even that there's any great choice available to you.

No matter what you do (arm yourself illegally, learn to fight with a knife, take unarmed combat courses, etc), I highly encourage you to walk the extra four+ miles through the safer route. If there are four attackers, your odds aren't terrific even if you're armed.

Get a bicycle. Adding four miles to your trip shouldn't be more than an extra 15-20 mins max.
 
All of what you say makes sense, it just sucks. Kinda wish I never left Upstate New York for Florida. What really makes me mad about all of this is that the law seems intent on defending the lives of the trash of this country more than the people who just try to get by in life. If they go to prison they get meals and schooling and a whole mess of other things free to them but once again the normal joes have to pay for it. Seems stacked against the good guys doesn't it?
 
Welcome to America. :p

In all seriousness, someone mentioned the possibility of joining the military as a way to get out of there.

I'm a veteran, so I'm biased, but depending on your career goals, I think its an excellent idea. If you're not in college right now, I'd say you're borderline wasting your time anyway (no disrespect intended), and think the military's an even better idea. Might give that some thought. Stay safe whatever you do. Good luck man, don't let the scum of the Earth get you down.
 
Bobson said:
Welcome to America. :p

In all seriousness, someone mentioned the possibility of joining the military as a way to get out of there.

I'm a veteran, so I'm biased, but depending on your career goals, I think its an excellent idea. If you're not in college right now, I'd say you're borderline wasting your time anyway (no disrespect intended), and think the military's an even better idea. Might give that some thought. Stay safe whatever you do. Good luck man, don't let the scum of the Earth get you down.
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You're probably right tho wouldnt that hurt my chances of moving to another country sometime like Serbia ?
 
You're probably right tho wouldnt that hurt my chances of moving to another country sometime like Serbia ?
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You're at a loss as to how to protect yourself without a gun (and it seems, with a gun, probably, as well) on the streets of an American city but you're contemplating a move to Serbia? How do you anticipate defending yourself as an American ex-pat in Serbia?
 
Kinda wish I never left Upstate New York for Florida.
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In regard to gun rights, you gotta be kidding! You're waaaaay better off in Florida than in New York. Neither state issues CCW permits to those under 21, but it's a crap shoot whether you'll get one at all in NYS, or with what restrictions. Florida is shall-issue. Once you're 21 and have a clean record, the permit is yours for the asking.
 
Sobel
defense outside the home under 21
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Pepper spray. A legal knife. A collapsible baton if legal. Seriously though...take the long way if possible.

Do you drive? Have a car? If not, use a bicycle. Heck, you're in FL, so you can pretty much use a bicycle all the time.

The thing is, even if you kick the BG's butt, things will get ugly if you continue to go the same route.
 
Heck, you're in FL, so you can pretty much use a bicycle all the time.
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Never lived in Florida have you? :p

They get some incredibly nasty storms, and that's coming from a guy who lived an hour north of Seattle, WA for 15 years. The PNW hasn't got a thing on Florida when it comes to hardcore rain. But a bicycle would be great for at least part of the year.
 
I'm being over simplified here but being aware is # 1. being smart is # 2. Working the environmet to your benifit is #3

So here's a possibility.

*Get yourself a scooter,change your route. Point A to B and back; No stops for gas and snacks. (get gas etc. during daytime hours)

*Wire 2 crescent wrenches together (scooter tools) makes an effective set of improvised chucks.

*Also, carry a ball peen hammer (scooter tools) carry a long standard and philips screw driver. (scooter tools)

If you deploy a tool for self defence its difficult to prove intent when they are openly disguised as intended use.

If you have to strike. You do it fast and ferocious,dis-engage immeditely so you can run away. Not stay and punish.

A scooter (car better)
*Offers affordable to operation
*Allows you to move through areas at speed or faster if needed.
*Give greater maneuverability.
*Provides a reason to carry tools.
 
See Post 15

Don't go where trouble is, leave if trouble shows up, and have the mindset, skill set to use whatever tool set one needs to to survive a threat.

Recently, and while I do have a lifetime conceal carry permit, I stopped what needed stopping against three, with a ink pen.

Times are different, and before I was over five decades old, and often did carry, I did not "default to gun"
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I defaulted to brain, mindset, skill sets and tool sets.

Don't be predicable, be early, or late, but never on time. Assume nothing, trust no one. Be polite, courteous with everyone you have contact with but have a plan to take care of them as a threat if need be.

Lee and others know of and about me. I have retired from a "life", one I was born with a bulls eye on my back, and the reality is, there will always be one if you will.

So yeah, I might know a bit about being under "legal age limits".
I am posting which means I must have survived being under legal age limits.

Training is the key, especially the brain.

S

Aside, I would not mind having the work referenced by Lee myself....
 
A gun is not a magic talisman that makes all trouble avoid you. Even a fully justified shooting could get twisted by hostile witnesses and zealous cops to land you some major time.

Sounds like you should move to a better place. Do it now before you get more ties to that area.
 
another option - there IS public transit in Orlando; pay a friend gas money to drive you, many other options to illegally carrying a gun.

You sound like a young person who thinks the gun is the do-all, be-all answer to your safety - it isn't
 
ttolhurst said:
In regard to gun rights, you gotta be kidding! You're waaaaay better off in Florida than in New York. Neither state issues CCW permits to those under 21, but it's a crap shoot whether you'll get one at all in NYS, or with what restrictions. Florida is shall-issue. Once you're 21 and have a clean record, the permit is yours for the asking.
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Yea but in Ny i never had to even think about owning a gun in the first place.
 
Sam1911 said:
You're at a loss as to how to protect yourself without a gun (and it seems, with a gun, probably, as well) on the streets of an American city but you're contemplating a move to Serbia? How do you anticipate defending yourself as an American ex-pat in Serbia?
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Well I feel as tho Eastern Europe may be behind the times with some aspects, but I'm pretty sure they have more values in family. Women less materialistic and such. Anyways wouldn't being in the U.S. military hurt the possibility of ever gaining citizenship? Wont even ask about serving for their military.
 
Sobel said:
Well I feel as tho Eastern Europe may be behind the times with some aspects, but I'm pretty sure they have more values in family. Women less materialistic and such. Anyways wouldn't being in the U.S. military hurt the possibility of ever gaining citizenship? Wont even ask about serving for their military.
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For what reasons are you wanting to emigrate?
 
another option - there IS public transit in Orlando;
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Using public transportation is often more dangerous than walking the streets; The victims are already captive.

Well I feel as tho Eastern Europe may be behind the times with some aspects, but I'm pretty sure they have more values in family.
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Dude, you need to read a bit. You are FAR more likely to be a victim of violent crime in Europe than the USA. And 21 or not, you ain't gonna be packin a gun over there.
 
MachIVshooter said:
Using public transportation is often more dangerous than walking the streets; The victims are already captive.



Dude, you need to read a bit. You are FAR more likely to be a victim of violent crime in Europe than the USA. And 21 or not, you ain't gonna be packin a gun over there.
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Your right and as I look up their stats it seems most of their crime is auto theft or pickpocketing. Tho I don't intend on living anywhere densely populated
 
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