Did Ted Nugent cross the line?

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I just read Ted Nugent's facebook page. What he has to say about this is almost unintelligible. It seems to me that he was trying to single out those people (who are Jews) to show that they were actually anti-Jews and actually more Nazi like than Jew-like. He did such a poor job of it that it is easy to think that it is an anti-Semitic post. Again, Ted, in his "in your face" approach is causing more harm than good.
 
It’s no secret that one of the largest blocs of people pressing for so-called “gun control” is the culturally (aka not-so-religious) American Jewish community.

I didn't put that in quotes just for the shock value, but it's in fact a quote of the viewpoint of possibly the most pro-gun sites around, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, jpfo dot org:

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/why-jews-hate-guns.htm

Read it.

And while you're at it, take a look at:

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

Scroll down to "The Mother of All Stats" chart.

Just wanted to point out that in general Jews are usually considered to be anti-gun --even according to one of the most pro-gun sites run by Jews. So pardon my profiling.

Whether this is because so many of the Jewish immigrants settled in generally anti-gun New York City and other high density population centers, or because they and other groups want ultimate dominance by disarmament, I don't know.

With regard to this thread, I'm not privy to who posted what, or what was ascribed to Mr. Nugent incorrectly, but frankly, I thought that "crossing the line" was part of his job description.

Some thank him for that. (Yee-haw!)

Some don't. (Boooo!)

But he certainly knows how to polarize people.

To some folks, that's good.

To others, not so much.

Terry, 230RN

PS. I am not Jewish, but I was raised in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood in New York City.
 
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Teddy's cheese slid off his cracker a long time ago. I do, though, love watching him excoriate antis when they interview him.
 
Sorry I did not have the time right now to read all the posts.

The ones I did skip around and read seemed unfavorable to Ted and perhaps may be right on. What I didn't see so far however is a clear indication that what he said was wrong. I will therefore hold judgement until someone points me to the truth or untruth of what he has stated. Facts and not political correctness should point our judgement so I would prefer someone gives the facts.
 
Seems to me he just retweeted a post by someone else and added his own rhetoric to it which, IMHO, was right on the mark. Those people pointed out in the post are anti-second amendment (has a more honest ring then anti-gun) and verging on tyrannical in their leanings. What he didn't paint was the entire Jewish population under that umbrella.
So, no harm, no foul by Ted this time.
 
I saw the picture he posted on facebook and did a double take to confirm the anti-Jewish tone to it.

At first I thought he had just copied and pasted or shared a picture that he hadn't really looked at. And that may very well be what happened.

Its bad policy to do what he did, he certainly didn't help the 2A.

But I still like The Nuge.
 
Maybe if there were more out spoken people on Ted's level more anti 2nd amendment soap box yelpers would have less of a voice, Jewish or non Jewish or Americans period. We need people like him around. Like it or not
 
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I'm Jewish and I was born and raised in New York City. That city is a bastion of liberalism and is supported by most (but certainly not all) of the Jewish population there, much as it by most of the non-Jewish population. Gun control has become a key part of the liberal agenda and thus most Jews support the concept. Go outside of NYC or other large liberal dominated cities and you will find that the Jews there are no more likely to be gun control supporters than any other groups.

Personally, I think that American Jews have believed for several generations that America truly is the promised land, where government sanctioned anti-Semitism will never prevail, and where the mechanisms of a free society will protect religious minorities like the Jews. Unfortunately the reality has been that over time many countries and cultures have initially been friendly or tolerant of Jews, but this is no guarantee of what the future will bring.

And just as Germans Jews never could imagine that the German government would truly turn on them, since they considered themselves good Germans, American Jews by and large convince themselves that America is safe for Jews and cannot even imagine that they would ever need firearms to protect themselves from the government. The emergence of jpfo is a reflection of an increasing number of Jews who see the 2nd Amendment as a protection against tyranny rather than see guns as only a tool of criminals. I will admit that with much of my extended family still in the NY area (I left about 50 years ago and will never return there to live) sees me as the "crazy uncle" because I own guns, served 24 years in the military, and are a Life Member of the NRA. If they knew I carried concealed every day they would be totally convinced that I have truly left the reservation.
 
That guy is a raving nut, and that's not really a secret. Hitching your/our wagon to that star is beyond dumb.
 
A couple of news outlets have posted it so it likely is true.

After all the "cops hunting innocent black children and shooting them in the back while they run away with their hands up" news stories of the last few years, Im not so inclined to base an opinion on a news story.
 
I find, in general, a huge difference between those of Jewish ethnicity only, and those who actually practice the Jewish faith. To refer to all of them as "Jewish", whether it be by genetics or by religion, is not differntiating two very different perspectives. It's like comparing Mark Levin to Debbie Wasserman-Shultz.
 
"The News" media would like you to believe they always relate only the truth, but when interviewed and surveyed for their political beliefs, are predominantly anti gun and extremely socialist. Extremely.

Therefore "The News" as published in print or in video is most definitely slanted and should NOT be relied on for anything up front. First, in breaking news, the rule (even practiced in the military) is that the first reports are always w-r-o-n-g. To get the real and correct details takes at least three days, and in the typical news week that means it won't reappear unless there is major interest in the story. You will have to dredge the back pages to get the updates that correct the major errors first reported.

Case in point: Waco Biker shooting, which now has every element of a police execution and coverup. But we won't know until the actual reports are released, which are following the same pattern as the school shooting at Sandy Hook - extremely delayed and redacted of any reliable information.

We aren't getting the real story up front - case in point, TN did NOT create the photo with labels, it's something he saw and passed along. Not politically correct for you, typical for him.

Was the contention ACCURATE? Are there people identified as being of the Jewish faith who are actively anti-gun?

Yes. And admittedly so, by pro gun activists of Jewish faith.

Was TN made to look bad, sure. IT'S POLITICS IN THE NEWS. Rhetorically, since when it that some new revelation? Well, for every generation, those maturing in our society discover it - the news isn't fair and balanced whatsoever.

It never has been. Ever. Not even. There has never been a time when you could implicitly trust what the media was communicating. If that could be done, then there would be only one - 1 - outlet of news, perfectly balanced and accurate at the first report.

For those of use who've already been around the block, it's laughable fantasy. We have a variety of news outlets and they have grown exponentially since the release of the internet into our daily lives. If you want to research the real issues, "the truth is out there."

Short case in point: a few years back, the auto maker scene changed and a supplier of cam lifters went out of business. The ones remaining could barely take up the challenge of supplying new lifters for new engines in new cars. Simultaneously, the oil specification changed and zinc was reduced (NOT eliminated.) To take up the slack for hot rod cam makers they reached out to an off shore source of lifters and disaster followed.

Engines failed, and one cam maker nearly went out of business. The fault? Improperly chilled lifters from the offshore choice (do I really have to say China?) It became an early internet viral issue - but, not because the lifters were recognized as the cause by the public. They blamed the oil!

It was no help to point out that the organization who creates the oil specification still tested for flat tappet compatibility in new and old engines, plus the amount of zinc in the oil had only been reduced, NOT eliminated.

The result? A huge increase in the sales of oil additives with zinc, contrary to EPA expectations to reduce it because it contaminated the platinum pellets in converters.

Same issue here - blame Nugent. The real issue? The guys in the photo - regardless of their nominally labeled faith, they ARE anti gun. Sure, it's hard to understand why they would be that way in the face of the Holocaust, and shooters of Jewish faith have certainly been pointing it out, for decades. No real news there - for those of us who do our due diligence and have been around.

It's those who see it for the first time who are being manipulated. And many posters are going to the effort to show exactly how and where.

As for those ID'd in the photo, the reality is, so what? Along with their faith, they are largely White, Male, and speak American. Just like most of us on gun forums.

To other Americans, we all look the same. :evil:
 
Maybe if there were more out spoken people on Ted's level more anti 2nd amendment soap box yelpers would have less of a voice, Jewish or non Jewish or Americans period. We need people like him around. Like it or not
We don't need more people saying stupid stuff.
 
Ted is definitely a rebel wild man. He's pretty extreme. The message is sound, but the messenger tends to go off on some tangents...
 
that the Anti-Defamation League slammed as anti-Semitic

That's one worthless group right there.

Edit: From ADL:

Summary of Policy and Recommendations
Recognizing that the culture of guns and violence is pervasive among extremists, ADL recently reaffirmed its long-standing position advocating the adoption of federal and state initiatives designed to make it more difficult for children as well as extremists to acquire and use guns and other dangerous weapons.


The federal government and the states should recognize the importance of maintaining bans on the use or caching of weapons by domestic extremists.


The federal government and the states should ensure that common sense restrictions on firearms in schools and government buildings continue.

Want to guess who they consider extremists? YOU would probably make their list.
 
Anti-defamation League is worthless to whom? Certainly not the people they seek to protect from all forms of discrimination, not just that towards Jewish people.

I don't find it hard to understand why a population that saw 6 million of it's members herded and collected by gun carrying thugs, suffered extreme violence by these same gun carrying psychopaths, and were guarded and killed by these same people, again supported by guns, would have an aversion to them. The nazis were a group that basically overthrew the gov't, a fear the Jewish population may have of those who treasure guns as a possible means to overthrow their gov't.

Another theory would have thought this population would seek to arm themselves from any future threats, and some do. But the overwhelming picture in most of their minds may be that guns are related to evil. In their case they may have a legitimate cause for concern.
 
After all the "cops hunting innocent black children and shooting them in the back while they run away with their hands up" news stories of the last few years, Im not so inclined to base an opinion on a news story.
He did say what they said he did; his original post and his "I'm not anti-Semitic, my father fought in WWII" follow-up (along with some nonsense about how he had a Bar Mitzvah?!) Facebook posts can both be seen right here:

https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/posts/10153471495187297
 
I am not Jewish but EVERY Jewish person I know is a gun owner. I live in the rural Southeast and most of the ones I know are doctors or related to doctors. They are mostly avid duck hunters and quail/pheasant enthusiasts and are no different from all the rest of us Rednecks.
None of them have ever lived in NYC.
 
I will avoid comment on Ted's views and related rhetoric but I wanted to be on record that in my opinion Ted has been over the line, off the rails, and in general is not doing any good for 2A advancement.
 
Anti-defamation League is worthless to whom? Certainly not the people they seek to protect from all forms of discrimination, not just that towards Jewish people.

I don't find it hard to understand why a population that saw 6 million of it's members herded and collected by gun carrying thugs, suffered extreme violence by these same gun carrying psychopaths, and were guarded and killed by these same people, again supported by guns, would have an aversion to them. The nazis were a group that basically overthrew the gov't, a fear the Jewish population may have of those who treasure guns as a possible means to overthrow their gov't.

Another theory would have thought this population would seek to arm themselves from any future threats, and some do. But the overwhelming picture in most of their minds may be that guns are related to evil. In their case they may have a legitimate cause for concern.
People are making this more complicated than it is.

Most people in NYC and surrounding areas are hostile to the second amendment. It's the local culture in which they're raised. Most people in rural areas are friendly to the second amendment. It's the local culture in which they're raised.

Most people who ride subways are going to be hostile to the second amendment. It's simply because subway riders are disproportionately concentrated in places like NYC, not because riding the subway in and of itself causes hostility to the second amendment. Correlation does not equal causation.

Replace "people who ride subways" with "Jews" and the statement is equally true. That's ALL THERE IS TO IT; no need to have some deep pondering debate about Jewish culture or wonder whether Jews "want ultimate dominance by disarmament," as one poster asked.
 
The original question was:
Did Ted Nugent cross the line?
The original question was not:
Are Jews anti-gun?


Let's get back to the first topic and stop debating the second, the value of the Anti-Defamation League, etc. This thread is beginning to head off into non-THR territory.
 
He was way out of line for posting that. How that is supposed to help the pro-RKBA camp is beyond me.

Out of curiosity, has the NRA made any statement or taken any action? I'm not seeing much online.
 
Ted say, repeat, or post something non pc? The horror!!!
Take a look back on his Facebook and see what TjSotomayor posted on YouTube.
Much of what TN posts is by others along with his opinion, just like everyone else.
Being a guitar player doesn't mean he can't have a point of view.
 
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