G17Steve
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Subsonic .22 fired from inside your home out an open window, very quite I have done this to keep things from alerting neighbors with ALOT of sucess.To kill a coyote you will need a bullseye shot though.
Discouraging coyotes hanging around the house?
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mlw332
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try a paintball gun. put the paintballs in the freezer for at least 24 hours will hit hard but cause no more than pain.
marksman13
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Indiscriminate poisoning is often illegal and always a bad idea. Be specific. Target the problem animals and don't kill your neighbor's dog in the process. I can tell you now, if you set out poison and killed my dog in the process, you would get a very loud, unfriendly knock at the door.
A .22 cal. air rifle may be your best option if it's legal. There's been alot of yodel dogs killed with a 22LR and a shot in the ear hole.
A .22 cal. air rifle may be your best option if it's legal. There's been alot of yodel dogs killed with a 22LR and a shot in the ear hole.
For a non-lethal alternative I suggest you get a wrist rocket and form yourself a rock made out of salt.
The "1200fps" (air rifles that advertise like that usually need the lightest pellet possible to acheive the advertised velocity and aren't to accurate with them) air rifle's will penetrate the animal and just wound it.
As far as air rifles are concerned (if they are legal within the city limits) you will want to use something that is far from cheap in .25 or larger, and shoot it in the head, which is pretty risky.
Or you could spend about $550 on a 9mm or a .45 and shoot it in the boiler room with roundball and a GOOD backstop to keep the slug from going off into the next county.
I think the wrist-rocket with rock salt is the way to go in town.
The "1200fps" (air rifles that advertise like that usually need the lightest pellet possible to acheive the advertised velocity and aren't to accurate with them) air rifle's will penetrate the animal and just wound it.
As far as air rifles are concerned (if they are legal within the city limits) you will want to use something that is far from cheap in .25 or larger, and shoot it in the head, which is pretty risky.
Or you could spend about $550 on a 9mm or a .45 and shoot it in the boiler room with roundball and a GOOD backstop to keep the slug from going off into the next county.
I think the wrist-rocket with rock salt is the way to go in town.
Guillermo
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Just take safe shots (99% or better hit probablility and downward towards soft ground) and play dumb with the cops if they are called.
Marksman13 writes:
And from Plexriticle we get:
I don't have a strong feeling about it one way or another. As I posted before, the OP asked for help with yotes. Poison kills them. It's legal in some places. I wouldn't use it myself, but others have - and do.
I would add that there's nothing "indiscriminate" about poisoning these varmints. The poison would be on his/her own property. It would very specifically poison only trespassing animals.
Marksman13 again:
I can tell YOU now, that if your dog were in my yard, you would get the very loud knock first. You'd only get one chance to keep it off my property. I have kids that have a right to play in their own yard. I have my own dog. I clean up my dog's poop - not your dog's poop.
Before we start chest-thumping, we need to think about what we're implying. Does your love for your pet, or for wild yotes, trump U.S. property rights?
And from Plexriticle we get:
I don't have a strong feeling about it one way or another. As I posted before, the OP asked for help with yotes. Poison kills them. It's legal in some places. I wouldn't use it myself, but others have - and do.
I would add that there's nothing "indiscriminate" about poisoning these varmints. The poison would be on his/her own property. It would very specifically poison only trespassing animals.
Marksman13 again:
I can tell YOU now, that if your dog were in my yard, you would get the very loud knock first. You'd only get one chance to keep it off my property. I have kids that have a right to play in their own yard. I have my own dog. I clean up my dog's poop - not your dog's poop.
Before we start chest-thumping, we need to think about what we're implying. Does your love for your pet, or for wild yotes, trump U.S. property rights?
marksman13
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Bensdad, let's both be reasonable about this. Can you honestly say, that you have never had a dog that didn't end up somewhere it didn't belong before? Now let's just say that you set out your poisoned dog food, table scraps, what have you, for coyotes, and my dog, who is always kept in my yard or on a leash gets out and finds his way into your yard. Keep in mind this isn't a recurring theme, it's a one time deal, and it wasn't my dog that caused you to put out the poison in the first place. It was the coyotes. Now let's say before I can catch my lab he gets into your yard and promptly devours the bait. It's what dogs do. Now, because of one mistake, I've lost a good dog and my wife is heart broken. How can that possibly sound like a reasonable situation?
The fact is, poison is alot like an anti-personel mine. You have no control over what it kills. Could be a coyote, could be a possum, could be my dog, you just have no way to know. Seems like an awfully bad idea from that perspective.
Now before you get all bent out of shape, let's get a few things straight. I don't have a problem with you telling me that my dog has created a problem. If I don't take steps to remedy the problem, I don't have a problem with you letting me know that I am failing. If my dog becomes a danger to your kids, then by all means put a bullet in him, but do it right. There's no need for an animal to suffer. There are much more humane methods.
We raised cattle when I was a kid, and if a neighbor's dog got caught chasing cattle, said neighbor got one warning. Like wise with us, we got one warning about our dogs. After that, the dog got a bullet. It was that simple, and after we shot a dog, we called the neighbor to let them know. It's called responsibilty. It ain't easy, and poison doesn't have any, but it is the right way to go about things. So, as legal as poison may be in some jurisdictions, it's not necessarilly the right way to go about things.
You're entitled to your opinion. I won't argue the legalities of poisoning. I don't know the OP's laws. Just seems like, as a society, we would be better off if we could put ourselves into somebody else's shoes occasionally. Sounds like poisoning is the perfect solution until you stop consider how many other animals you might kill without ever being the wiser.
The fact is, poison is alot like an anti-personel mine. You have no control over what it kills. Could be a coyote, could be a possum, could be my dog, you just have no way to know. Seems like an awfully bad idea from that perspective.
Now before you get all bent out of shape, let's get a few things straight. I don't have a problem with you telling me that my dog has created a problem. If I don't take steps to remedy the problem, I don't have a problem with you letting me know that I am failing. If my dog becomes a danger to your kids, then by all means put a bullet in him, but do it right. There's no need for an animal to suffer. There are much more humane methods.
We raised cattle when I was a kid, and if a neighbor's dog got caught chasing cattle, said neighbor got one warning. Like wise with us, we got one warning about our dogs. After that, the dog got a bullet. It was that simple, and after we shot a dog, we called the neighbor to let them know. It's called responsibilty. It ain't easy, and poison doesn't have any, but it is the right way to go about things. So, as legal as poison may be in some jurisdictions, it's not necessarilly the right way to go about things.
You're entitled to your opinion. I won't argue the legalities of poisoning. I don't know the OP's laws. Just seems like, as a society, we would be better off if we could put ourselves into somebody else's shoes occasionally. Sounds like poisoning is the perfect solution until you stop consider how many other animals you might kill without ever being the wiser.
brighamr
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It's this exact type of thread that makes me not want to offer valid suggestions in online forums.
the OP asked a question.
Several people gave their valid suggestions.
Now because a few people have different views, the previously mentioned valid suggestions need to be hashed out for multiple pages.
Poison - it works. Discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
22's - they work. Again, discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
Traps - they work. Again, discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
Paintballs - they work. Again, discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
Sometimes people need to realize that when someone asks for help, people respond. I don't think it was the OP's intent to have several people argue over which means to an end.
Period.
the OP asked a question.
Several people gave their valid suggestions.
Now because a few people have different views, the previously mentioned valid suggestions need to be hashed out for multiple pages.
Poison - it works. Discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
22's - they work. Again, discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
Traps - they work. Again, discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
Paintballs - they work. Again, discretion\legality is up to the person who uses/abuses it.
Sometimes people need to realize that when someone asks for help, people respond. I don't think it was the OP's intent to have several people argue over which means to an end.
Period.
inherentical
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I wouldn't bother attempting that. You'll get a lot of opinionated arguments without much substance. Best to nod politely and go about your business.
Besides, it's for the children...and the pets.
Marksman,
You are absolutely right. My dogs have gotten out far more often than others' dogs have come over to visit. I'm grateful to all those who have let them return in peace.
When the neighbor's dogs do come over, I just make a call or bring the dog home myself. I'm not a jerk (usually). I was just trying to make a point. The word "indiscriminate" does not really apply.
Here's the dark side of my perspective:
Two years ago my wife let our shorthair out in the morning and left for work before putting him back in. I found him on the front steps in the middle of a full-blown, all-out seizure. His eyes were crossed, He was cold with sweat, he was shaking so violently that he couldn't stand up. By 5:00pm or so, the vet had tried everything to bring him out of it. Nothing worked. They put him down.
I'm relatively cerain he was poisoned. The fact is, however, he left our yard to get poisoned. I harbor no ill will toward whoever did it.
Like I said, I would never use poison on critters. But I also believe in property rights.
I was just playing devil's advocate. If your dog ever finds his way over to my house, it'll get a treat and a ride home.
P.S. Does your dog bite?
You are absolutely right. My dogs have gotten out far more often than others' dogs have come over to visit. I'm grateful to all those who have let them return in peace.
When the neighbor's dogs do come over, I just make a call or bring the dog home myself. I'm not a jerk (usually). I was just trying to make a point. The word "indiscriminate" does not really apply.
Here's the dark side of my perspective:
Two years ago my wife let our shorthair out in the morning and left for work before putting him back in. I found him on the front steps in the middle of a full-blown, all-out seizure. His eyes were crossed, He was cold with sweat, he was shaking so violently that he couldn't stand up. By 5:00pm or so, the vet had tried everything to bring him out of it. Nothing worked. They put him down.
I'm relatively cerain he was poisoned. The fact is, however, he left our yard to get poisoned. I harbor no ill will toward whoever did it.
Like I said, I would never use poison on critters. But I also believe in property rights.
I was just playing devil's advocate. If your dog ever finds his way over to my house, it'll get a treat and a ride home.
P.S. Does your dog bite?
marksman13
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No, Bensdad, neither of our dogs has ever bitten anybody. Though I would understand if someone with small kids didn't want either of them in a yard with his small children.
I think we would all do well to look at the OP's unique situations when responding to threads like these. JesseL made it quite clear that he lives in a neighborhood. This fact increases the likelihood that animals other than the nuisance animals could come in contact with a poisoned bait, not to mention the possibility of a lawsuit if someone's child got into the stuff. Though I have no use for it at all, poison may have it's merritts in the wide open country, but not in a neighborhood.
For that reason, Brighamr, I think my post and the others like it are quite relevant to the topic at hand. I was making that statement not only because of my opinion, because of JesseL's situation. I should have stated that more clearly in my first post, also if I seemed condescending in the delivery of my opinion I apologize.
Based on JesseL's situation and the feelings he expressed regarding his disdain for the suffering of animals in post #3 of this thread, I don't think poison is the best route for him to take. Methods such as paintball guns, slingshots and possibly crossbows sound like the best match. Just my .02 cents. It's worth what you paid for it.
I think we would all do well to look at the OP's unique situations when responding to threads like these. JesseL made it quite clear that he lives in a neighborhood. This fact increases the likelihood that animals other than the nuisance animals could come in contact with a poisoned bait, not to mention the possibility of a lawsuit if someone's child got into the stuff. Though I have no use for it at all, poison may have it's merritts in the wide open country, but not in a neighborhood.
For that reason, Brighamr, I think my post and the others like it are quite relevant to the topic at hand. I was making that statement not only because of my opinion, because of JesseL's situation. I should have stated that more clearly in my first post, also if I seemed condescending in the delivery of my opinion I apologize.
Based on JesseL's situation and the feelings he expressed regarding his disdain for the suffering of animals in post #3 of this thread, I don't think poison is the best route for him to take. Methods such as paintball guns, slingshots and possibly crossbows sound like the best match. Just my .02 cents. It's worth what you paid for it.
Well done, bensdad and marksman13. It's great to see differences worked out with respect.
One addendum: in researching what to do with the predator on our land (we're still not sure what it is, besides efficient) I researched what Texas Parks and Wildlife had to say about predator control. They recommend that a professional be contracted if poisoning is used, even on ranch land.
In a neighborhood, the OP's eventual solution (paintballs and a wrist rocket) is a great one. Targets the problem without causing unintended consequences.
Springmom
One addendum: in researching what to do with the predator on our land (we're still not sure what it is, besides efficient) I researched what Texas Parks and Wildlife had to say about predator control. They recommend that a professional be contracted if poisoning is used, even on ranch land.
In a neighborhood, the OP's eventual solution (paintballs and a wrist rocket) is a great one. Targets the problem without causing unintended consequences.
Springmom
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slingshot; bear repellent pepper spray; loud sports air horn; plead with your neighborhood dog owners to not put table scraps into their yards for their own animals to eat since they are making wildlife dependent upon an easily obtainable food source; contact your local animal control officers & local law enforcement officers and see what is legal/recommended; another idea could be a high pressure car washing attachment for your garden hose...kinda like water cannons to disburse protestors/rioters; if you have the option (local ordinances/home owners' associations, financial means) then you might want to fence in your yard and have the bottom edge of the fencing dug into the ground to deter them slipping under the edge
...or thump your chest?
This much I can tell you from experience. Those who don't consider the real impact of what happens when they do things like set out poison or what impact their actions might have on their neighbors are responsible for the erosion of property rights as well as hunting access.
"US property rights" is a misnomer. Your real rights vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and people who think about their "rights" without being considerate of other people end up destroying those very rights. There's a city near me where you are not allowed to smoke in your own yard, at least under many circumstances. Now tell me, did support for such a law arise because people were being considerate of their neighbors, or because they were thumping their chests about their rights until there was finally enough support for taking them away? Care to guess?
Although the cure may be worse than the illness several folks around here have Anatolian Shepherds a Turkish guard dog. They are big and don't like coyotes or wolves or bears either for that matter. They have been known to kill bear. A fella I know has one and that ol' dog will run off in the woods and kill coyote like it's his favorite thing to do.
ArmedBear: well said. But what's that pic in the middle of your post?
Wheeler44: keep in mind that the OP is in a neighborhood. Guard dogs that can run free are as bad or worse than coyotes in that situation...and will run into some folks' ethyline glycol "solution".
Springmom
Wheeler44: keep in mind that the OP is in a neighborhood. Guard dogs that can run free are as bad or worse than coyotes in that situation...and will run into some folks' ethyline glycol "solution".
Springmom
marksman13
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Honestly, the fence solution might be your best, JesseL. I would still get a sling shot or air rifle, but the fence might save you much hassle later.
dagger dog
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I get it now! People that live in rock houses shouldn't throw glasses right?
Springmom:
There are electronic dog fences that are affordable and there is also that tedious process called training. I (well, my 15 yr.old son) have a German Shepherd that stays on our small town lot
always (we test her regularly to make sure that we aren't deluding ourselves). It can be done. It's just that some folks don't have the time nor inclination to do so.
All of that aside, if someone (the OP fer instance) wanted to keep coyotes off his property and didn't mind raising a 100 Lb. dog the Anatolian Shepherd is an effective solution. Oh, and they work against other dogs, wolves, bears and in Africa against leopards(I think thats what they were) and will probably be a good first defense against your common garden variety Bad Guy as well. The solution isn't for everyone but it is a solution.
Good luck with your critter problem on the ranch.
Wheeler44
I hear ya...that's why I said the cure might be worse than the illness.
There are electronic dog fences that are affordable and there is also that tedious process called training. I (well, my 15 yr.old son) have a German Shepherd that stays on our small town lot
always (we test her regularly to make sure that we aren't deluding ourselves). It can be done. It's just that some folks don't have the time nor inclination to do so.
All of that aside, if someone (the OP fer instance) wanted to keep coyotes off his property and didn't mind raising a 100 Lb. dog the Anatolian Shepherd is an effective solution. Oh, and they work against other dogs, wolves, bears and in Africa against leopards(I think thats what they were) and will probably be a good first defense against your common garden variety Bad Guy as well. The solution isn't for everyone but it is a solution.
Good luck with your critter problem on the ranch.
Wheeler44
Besides my post #16 use a few steel jawed traps. Normally coyotes are very hard to trap. It take practice and skill to do it, but if their bold enough to be in your yard or on the porch there is a good chance you can trap em fairly easy as they have lost all fear of man.
If you catch the neighbors pooch you can let him go home with a sore foot and if he has any brains at all he won't return, but then some dogs are absolute idiots. If it is a yote shoot em between the eyes or use a steel bar with a good hard swing. Either is equally effective and cause instant death if you swing hard enough. One way or another if you work on it you can make the coyote problem less but good chance not completely gone as there is always the new ones coming.
Not coyotes but I sure have thinned vermin that was a problem at night by keeping my dogs in after dark and setting traps. Took a few days but soon my problem was dead. Not the kindest of solutions but I was at my wits end and might work for you too. If I was worried about a 18 month old I would get serious, which sometimes isn't very PC but necessary.
Y'all can argue all you want but the OP has a problem that needs to be fixed at whatever the cost IMHO. Sometimes a fella's just gotta do what needs to be done.
If you catch the neighbors pooch you can let him go home with a sore foot and if he has any brains at all he won't return, but then some dogs are absolute idiots. If it is a yote shoot em between the eyes or use a steel bar with a good hard swing. Either is equally effective and cause instant death if you swing hard enough. One way or another if you work on it you can make the coyote problem less but good chance not completely gone as there is always the new ones coming.
Not coyotes but I sure have thinned vermin that was a problem at night by keeping my dogs in after dark and setting traps. Took a few days but soon my problem was dead. Not the kindest of solutions but I was at my wits end and might work for you too. If I was worried about a 18 month old I would get serious, which sometimes isn't very PC but necessary.
Y'all can argue all you want but the OP has a problem that needs to be fixed at whatever the cost IMHO. Sometimes a fella's just gotta do what needs to be done.
Blackfork
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I'd airgun them behind the ribs to get penetration. If it bothers you not to kill them outright, just remember, it wouldn't bother THEM....and say the appropriate prayer.
I'd airgun them behind the ribs to get penetration. If it bothers you not to kill them outright, just remember, it wouldn't bother THEM....and say the appropriate prayer.
well doesnt your city regulations allow you to kill a coyote that is attacking or trying to attack or eat people or pets?
ie, can you shoot a coyote thats trying to eat your baby, or the family poodle?
If you get good crossbow, a 10point for example, get some heavy aluminum bolts, and heavy rubber blunts. Put one right about where the heart/lungs should be. It can do some wonders.
ie, can you shoot a coyote thats trying to eat your baby, or the family poodle?
If you get good crossbow, a 10point for example, get some heavy aluminum bolts, and heavy rubber blunts. Put one right about where the heart/lungs should be. It can do some wonders.
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