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Thompsoncustom
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Pretty much, the parts aren't interchangeable but the design is basically the same with some small changes here and there.
Kind of depends what you plan on doing with the gun before I could recommend which one would be better for you tho both would be fine. I would say if reliability is your top concern than the glock would probably get the edge tho part of the increased reliability comes from loose chambers so if you plan on running a lot of full power loads the Witness would be the way to go. Also if you reload both would work but I would again go with the witness because of the standard rifle and you won't have case bulge that glocks sometimes have.
Either way both are good gun tho they are like comparing apples and oranges. Go to a store and fondle them both a good amount and if you can rent and shoot them that would be even better.
wally
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Your happiness with the Witness 10mm will largely depend on your luck with the magazines.
Oldironsights is showing the Witness "Limited" which will set you back about 2X the Glock. You can get the EAA Witness Elite Match for a bit less than the price of the Glock.
My EAA 10mm mags are not reliable enough for anything beyond casual range use. YMMV. I've hear Meg-Gar is now making a Witness 10mm mag that holds 14 instead of 15 rounds, perhaps this solves the issues, but I've not ran across one to try yet.
Oldironsights is showing the Witness "Limited" which will set you back about 2X the Glock. You can get the EAA Witness Elite Match for a bit less than the price of the Glock.
My EAA 10mm mags are not reliable enough for anything beyond casual range use. YMMV. I've hear Meg-Gar is now making a Witness 10mm mag that holds 14 instead of 15 rounds, perhaps this solves the issues, but I've not ran across one to try yet.
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That's not very constructive if you were to google "kaboom" and Glock" you probably wouldn't buy one of those either, doesn't mean it's a bad weapon.
As far as the mags go they did fix that problem, seems that most of the mags with the red followers were causing the problem but they are now sold with black followers stamped K10 and from what I have read run flawless.
wally
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And before the red/orange followers they had black followers. That's the problem too many minor variations among the guns and the mags and EAA customer support is not very helpful in getting it straightened out.
If you get mags that work, you'll love the pistol, if not, good luck! The Mec-Gar may be your only hope.
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Not sure if EAA is still doing it or not but they had a "send us your red follower and will send you the new ones".
Also the new K10 mags are made by mec gar for tanfoglio
Also the new K10 mags are made by mec gar for tanfoglio
3leggeddog
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a 10mm EAA with cracking slides is a well know issue!! Do a search in a few gun fourms... There's many,many good 45 cal out there,lots of parts to be had and easy to fix..just saying.
a 10mm EAA with cracking slides is a well know issue!! Do a search in a few gun fourms... There's many,many good 45 cal out there,lots of parts to be had and easy to fix..just saying.
It was my understanding that they corrected the issue with a new slide design. I recently bought a Witness Elite Match and i absolutely love it. I think a great deal at less than 527 bucks. Adjustable sights, match trigger, barrel...etc.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/.../54981/EAA+Witness+Match+10mm+15+++1+Two+Tone
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/.../54981/EAA+Witness+Match+10mm+15+++1+Two+Tone
Edarnold
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My current manufacture full-size steel 10mm Witness has been both accurate and reliable. The only change I made was a 20# Wolf recoil spring, which I consider necessary if full power loads are to be used.
I had the choice of the Glock 20 and the Witness for the same price. Because of the bulky grip and extreme top-heavy balance of the Glock, it just did not pass as a gun I could shoot well. The added problem that many Glocks have had with poor chamber support and bulged fired cases was another big negative. The chamber problem can be fixed by investing in a third-party replacement barrel, but why can't the manufacturer issue a gun that is safe to fire with the same commercial ammunition that works in other guns?
I consider the Witness line by Tanfoglio to be a sound modern design at very reasonable prices.
IMHO
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Kind of funny. Glock: Kaboom, smiley, plastic, blocky, 2x4, performance loss... LOL
Cracked slide happens in the low end models and not all. Nothing wrong with a Glock but I skipped around it for the others.
Cracked slide happens in the low end models and not all. Nothing wrong with a Glock but I skipped around it for the others.
Purchased a new Witness Match in July. Fired one mag of Win 175gr Silver tips and all of the cases were so blown out just above the web at the ramp area that they had to be thrown away. Customer service informed me that it met specs. Sold it...Bought a Glock 20. Works great with factory ammo(NOT hot botique loads) Purchased a Storm Lake barrel and I can load as hot as safety allows. Some people have had good luck with the Witness pistols; I havent.
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floydster
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Just amazing, my whole family shoots Witness Match and Limited pistols in competition, over the last four years and 30,000 rounds not nary a prob---BOY I guess we are lucky!!
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Dave P
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I have had a Match for 6-7 years now. Wonderful pistol for the priced! Accurate, powerful, reliable.
But ... no cracked slides, although the frame did crack . EAA sent me a new pistol this fall - cool beans! Under warranty, of course.
My previous mags do not fit - that bites!
I'm an idiot --- 10mm
But ... no cracked slides, although the frame did crack . EAA sent me a new pistol this fall - cool beans! Under warranty, of course.
My previous mags do not fit - that bites!
I'm an idiot --- 10mm
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floydster
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Dave P, what caliber was that??
Thanks.
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I have the full size steel witness in 10mm. Put a little over 1000 rounds this summer and my slide and frame are fine. In the past they did have some slide / frame cracking but that has been worked out. It is more of a internet story the glock fanboys keep up to try to make their own look better.
I too put in the 20# spring as the one it came with was on the weak side.
As far as reliability goes the only time it gave me troubles is when I loaded up some simi wade cutter's it would give some FTF. Went back to cone, round, flat, and HP pills and it eats them right up.
Long story short get the witness you will love it.
I too put in the 20# spring as the one it came with was on the weak side.
As far as reliability goes the only time it gave me troubles is when I loaded up some simi wade cutter's it would give some FTF. Went back to cone, round, flat, and HP pills and it eats them right up.
Long story short get the witness you will love it.
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I have never heard of case bulges in a Witness. Pictures or it didn't happen!
As I've posted before, the EAA Elite series (Match and above) are like Italian sportscars. They take a little love, and are not the world's most reliable machines, but when they're running right they're some of the most fun guns on the planet and WAY more enjoyable to shoot than Glocks. If I were going to carry something into combat and leave it in the mud and feed it cheap, mid-powered ammo, I'd go with the Glock. If I were buying something to enjoy shooting, it would be a Witness Match or better.
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My little 2003 compact 10 has I don't know how many thousands of rounds through it, most full power handloads (and I do mean full power, 1,300-1,400 FPS, 180 or 200 gr. IMR 800x loads). Nary a problem. My Limited has a lower round count, but same story. My light target load is a 180 gr. FMJ or plated bullet over 9.5 grs. 800x with CCI 350 primers; 1,240 FPS from a 5" gun. I just see no point in wussifying the round, even for practice.
My G20 has also handled my loads just fine, but has proven that Glocks don't quite deserve the reliability reputation they have. They can and do jam, just as any autoloader will.
The only 10mm I own that has never jammed is my S&W 1006. Incidentally, it's also the strongest 10mm platform you'll find.
Love my 10mm Witness Match
Like others, a little spring work and thats it and she'll run the full power loads no prob. I have red followers in all three of my mags and besides one particular brand of bullets my guns just happens to hate, I've never had any feeding issues. But I did take the time to ensure that my reloads I make for it do just what I want with them and realibility was high on the list (along with a consistent short ejection distance). Haven't shot any factory ammo in a long time as I can reload right now for about 1/4 the price of factory (and that's not even cast bullets).
Like others, a little spring work and thats it and she'll run the full power loads no prob. I have red followers in all three of my mags and besides one particular brand of bullets my guns just happens to hate, I've never had any feeding issues. But I did take the time to ensure that my reloads I make for it do just what I want with them and realibility was high on the list (along with a consistent short ejection distance). Haven't shot any factory ammo in a long time as I can reload right now for about 1/4 the price of factory (and that's not even cast bullets).
Dave P
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Floyd - my Match is in 10 mm. Frame cracked in 2 places, one each side, just behind the mag release. Very strange.
And if any body wants red follower mags, drop me a line - I may have 2 available.
And if any body wants red follower mags, drop me a line - I may have 2 available.
Dave P, there was a thread a while ago on that. EAA says that particular crack is not really a problem, and that it is anticipated with a stress cut on certain other Witness models, but not on the Match.
Mine developed the same crack, though only on one side. I also got a crack at the very bottom of the grip on one side of the magwell. EAA sent me a new gun without hassle. I had a thread about that, too.
Mine developed the same crack, though only on one side. I also got a crack at the very bottom of the grip on one side of the magwell. EAA sent me a new gun without hassle. I had a thread about that, too.
Dave P
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"EAA says that particular crack is not really a problem,"
Oh boy - that's a new one!
Oh boy - that's a new one!
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