ever get flamed for carrying a revolver?

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I have both revolvers and autos. I shoot both quite well. I would stake my life on my shooting abilities! Now the folks who bash revolvers are often the young and the inexperienced. Don't get me wrong, I am kind of young (31), but I know the merit of a Wheelgun! I would much rather tote a S&W J frame than a Glock hicap any day! I have seen the young guys at the public ranges with their hicap pistols spray the target and get a "pattern" and not a group and I have seen them snicker as I pull out a couple Wheelguns. They don't snicker after I'm done shooting though!
 
But then I show up at the range and group a tight pattern with my hi-cap autoloader and both sides bow down before my awesomeness.
 
For the record I'm not bashing revolvers though. I own both and love both but for personal defense against humans I'll take a reliable hi-cap autoloader over any of my wheelies any day.
 
Pocket Protector...

By far my favorite thing about my snubby 642 is that in the winter I carry it in a pocket holster in my jacket. It will fire from inside there, I can have my hand on it ready to go without freaking people out and it wont jam when it ends up getting screwed into a potential attackers soft parts. These are strengths that are often overlooked. Several times I have been approached by crack heads in Wal Mart parking lot and have been able to discretely cover them at their 3 or 4 foot distance without them having a clue, while politely telling them to to :cuss: off...
This being said: When Im wearing a jacket Im also wearing my Sig 220.
In short: When able carry both...
 
Gosh,
I said I didn't want to start another one of those Ford versus Chevy, 9mm versus 45 things. There has been a lot of wisdom here, both first hand a second third hand. Personally, I don't trust anecdotal evidence, even if it is personal, because anecdotal is close to anomolie (wher's the spell check button). I am going to keep on carrying my 629, because it works. Not every time, not in every circumstance, but it works. I tend to be real cool while things are going down, and shaky afterwards, as evidenced by car crashes/ near crashes, and fist fights. It's not that I'm fearless, I just don't get rattled until later....Some people just have a slower adreneline rush, or else they handle it better.
I have aquired a second model 29, with a four inch barrel. While doing church security work, I sometimes have high profile people in a low risk situation to worry about, and that makes me nervous enough to carry both, one in a shoulder holster, one on the belt. Any fights I am likely to get into in this situation are likely to be the kind wher i must stand my ground, and couldn't possibly get to cover or concealment if I wanted to.
Church security, in a greast big open sanctuary, predetermines two things; Your shots may be long, because other team members may not be able to shoot because of innocents running around, and you absolutely MUST put the bad gut down NOW. This being said, I understand that the Secret service is rumored to have bought a bunch of FN 5.7s. Go figure.

In my private life, I work outside all the time, and I have more to worry about from rabid animals and stray dogs/ black bears than i do from two legged varmints. Same scenario, where would i run to, and how could I get there fast enough anyway? The worst thing I have to fear from people is when i am on the farm, and there the likely scenario is a rifle toting poacher or dope grower. Again, no place to hide even if i wanted to. Shoot and scoot is good if you can do it. Just plain scoot is the best. But I can't see my self ever having that luxury. Same for the bad guy. where would he run to? He would have to stand and deliver, too. That could get ugly if I shot him with a "service "calibre, even a 45. A carbine would be better, but how would I work with a carbine IN MY HAND? Same with church security. I have a friend, who has a friend, who is a south African national. Once upon a time, His job was to guard the offering in church , with a pump shotgun. Things are a little different in the U.S., and thank God they are.

When my wife and i go to town, I have the luxury of being able to get behind a car or other cover if we were ever assaulted in a parking lot, etc., but My wife has type two diabetes, and she can't run, period. Walking fast in a low light situation is iffy for her. While I love her dearly, and would gladly lay down my life for her, I had rather punch three or four inch and one half holes in a bad guy and trust accuracy, speed and power in all these situations.

Add to this the fact that i am a big dude, and can carry two "n" frames concealed under a sport coat, and you see why, maybe, I have made the choices that I have. I may switch to carrying A GLOCK 23 for a BUG, with an extra magazine, but for me, primary will always be a 629 or a 29.
 
The smaller ones are 1851 Navy .44. Then one is a 1860 Army again .44 then the biggie is Walker. Biggest baddest and the second revolver ever made in history.

Fact 1847 Colt Walker
Shoots .44 size .454 Round ball 60 grains of black powder Biggest load ever made for a revolver in its time.

Pull the side wedge take out the cylinder. Put in an r&d cylinder and it shoots 45 Colt.
presto 2 guns in one.

The gun is 16 inches long and weighs in at 4 1/2 lbs. Just as big as a 500 S&W. When shooting full loads of Black powder its just as loud as a 500. But with a big puff of smoke.

The smaller guns all have 7 1/4 inch barrels. the Walker has a 9 inch

Man that gun is heavy though. So no i dont have any problems when i go to the range. i usually get a lot of open space once i start shooting. usually a good 5 feet on each side. Go figure.
 
Let me start by saying I certainly won't flame anybody for their carry preference, and I fullly agree with "carry what you're comfortable with."

But I'm going to have to take issue with this:

Statistically, there a less than three shots exchanged in a gunfight. I dare not bring that up over there, but it is a fact.

Nope, not a fact. As far as I can tell, it was one study (NYPD SOP-9) that came up with that number, on data from 1970-1981, and the method of computing it has some methodology problems.

Here are links to some articles with more recent info:

http://www.theppsc.org/Grossman/Farnam/NYPD.htm
http://www.theppsc.org/Grossman/SOP9/2000.htm
http://www.theppsc.org/Grossman/Main-R.htm

Where I work, we take statistics pretty seriously. The data in those articles isn't sufficient to make any real conclusions. Too few observations and too homogenous a sample space, for one thing. Some key variables are missing, too - like outcome. (As far as I have seen, that is. I don't have access to the raw data.)

Some things I would love to know, but probably never will:
  • In what percent of incidents did an officer fire more than 6 shots?
  • Is there a correlation between # of shots and a positive outcome? If so, in which direction?
  • What was the malfunction rate during the incidents for officers carrying semi-autos?
  • Are these numbers reflective of other regions? non-LEO incidents?
  • Is there a significant difference in outcome in cases where the officer reloaded/switched to BUG?
...and so forth.

So I'm stuck with my gut feel. :uhoh:

For me, in an urban/suburban environment, it says the odds of needing more than 6 shots, while low, feels substantially higher than that of having my carry pistol malfunction.

YMMV. In fact, I would be surprised if it didn't for many of you. ;)
 
Carl Levitian
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Most people who know me, also know I have a very strong bias toward the revolver. At the present time, the only auto pistol I have is an old Ruger standard model I bought new for 39'95. That tells you haow long ago it was bought new by me.

I wasn't always this way. At one time I was a fan of the 1911, and owned a nice Colt series 70, with the Colt manufactured .22 conversion unit for it with the floating chamber. I sold it off in 1977.

The year 1977 was a pivotal year for my gun preffernces. I had just joined the Trinidad Colorado police department, under Chief Denis Demsey. In Colorado back then, a police officer could use any gun of his choice, as long as it held at least 6 shots, was of at least .38 caliber, and had at least a 4 inch barrel. Since I had served in the U.S. Army, the 1911A1 and I were old friends. When I went off to the C.L.E.T.A. (Colorado Law Enforcement Training Acadamy) I took my .45 with me. I was planning on qualitfying with it as my service weapon.

Plans change.

In the thrird week of the acadamy, the range instructor was a Sgt. Tom Crowe, and our head training officer was Sgt. Ralph Smith, with a Captian Stewart as commanding officer. Sgt. Crowe remarked that he saw some of us had plans on using an auto pistol for our service weapon. Okay, he said, but first he wanted us to listen from somebody. Sgt Crowe was a die hard revolver man, Smith and Wesson being his God. He must have been good, as he was a champian PPC competitor.

This morning in question, he went over and opened the side door to the classroom we were in, and a young guy in his 20's wheeled himself in. He was in a wheelchair. He addressed the class.

He had been a Pueblo police officer, and had been carrying a Smith and Wesson model 39. One day he had stopped a car for blowing a stop sign, and unknown ot him, the guy had just robbed a gas and go. It had not gone out on the air yet. They guy jumps out with an old M1 carbine, and opens fire on the officer. The officer returns fire, or tries to, but this model 39 jams on the first shot, with a smokestack. While the officer is trying to do the tap rack bang drill, the guy with the carbine runs up to him and shoots him three times. Two of the bullets do little damage while going through the second chance vest he has on, but one of them severs his spine at the waist.

He sat there telling us of the incident, and how he would never walk again, go anyplace without that wheel chair, never make love with his wife again, never get to play ball with his young sone again. It was a very thought provocking afternoon. He told us if he had the chance to do it over again, he'd be carrying a revolver.

They let us go early that day, and I went out and sat in my jeep for a while. I did some thinking, and I knew what I was going to do. I traded in my old .45 auto and .22 conversion kit on a new Smith and Wesson model 64, and the gunshop tossed in a set of pachmier grips and some HKS speed loeaders. I shot that 64 for many years, and I still have it. Over the last 31 years I've not had a single malfunction from it, or the model 60 with the bobbed hammer that was my duty back up and off duty gun. I loved my 1911, but like most auto's, it would bobble once in a great while. I deceided not to gamble, and went with a gun that would not let me down. To this day, niether revolver has yet to malfunction, no matter what type of bullet or load goes through it.

I remember Sgt. Smith telling us that the averige gunfight is a couple yards, a couple shots, in a couple seconds. Close, fast, and its all over one way or the other.

I love my revolvers.

We can go round and round on revolver versus autoloader
 
I love my revolvers. When I carry a wheelgun it's either a snubnose .357 or a snubnose .38 (both S&W's).

Several friends have suggested that I carry my semiauto instead of the revolver but i just enjoy the wheelguns more!
 
On Duty it's "Autoloader Only".

Off Duty I can carry what I want, and do. Normally I carry three Revolvers, a 3" GP100 and a 2 1/4" SP101 with a J-Frame to back up the first two. That takes care of the capacity issue of Revolver vs Autoloader for me. I also carry a couple of reloads.

Up close it doesn't matter to me if I'm shooting an Autoloader or a Revolver, but when the distance starts getting longer I'm better with the wheelgun. There is something to be said for accuracy. Two of three times I have seen my Front Sight in real life situations. The one time I didn't see my front Sight was when I was busy deflecting a blade.

Revolvers work, period. Autoloaders are "pretty" reliable, but do I want to stake my life on "pretty"? If I were to carry Autoloaders on my own time I would still be carrying three guns, as I like having a gun accessable no matter what hand I have available to draw with or position I may find myself in.

The Revolver handles a wider range of ammo and power levels than an Autoloader, is easier in terms of "Administrative Handling", and forces one to concentrate on the fundamentals of shooting. All those are positives in my book.

I may switch it up next year and carry a pair of Glocks, either a 19/26 combo or a 32/33 combo, but I also have a J-Frame as well. The reason I may switch is for training/teaching purposes, not because I don't think the Revolver is up to the task. As far as the original question, no, I don't catch too much flack for carrying a Revolver as I tend to hit what I aim at.

Some of my younger co-workers kid me about the "old man" guns, but when we compare groups they usually quiet down.

BikerRN
 
To answer the OP:
I can't recall getting any grief for choosing a revolver. Awhile back I was at my FIL's place shooting a 1911 and he said something about six shots of .357 being "Enough". I agreed with him. My very first firearms purchase was a S&W 66, many moons ago.
Time spent in the USMC/USN introduced me to the 1911. I have a serious case of "Coltitis". They can be a money pit, and I ain't rich.
I tote a .44 Mag. Mountain Gun now and will soon have a .38 snubbie in an off-side pocket. I suppose a .357 would do for a primary, but I really like the versatility of the .44. I'm hoping to add some feral pork to some freezers with the hand cannon.
I've probably had one of just about everything over these many years. For personal self defense, the revolver will do. As far as the arguments ref. capacity, many a southwest Lawdog survived border fighting with a sixgun. Jim Cirillo took out three for three with a .38 in one of his gunfights. I seem to remember something about a good guy doing something similar in a Wells Fargo office around the turn of the century. I'd say alot of it has to do with the person behind the trigger.
 
Thanks Poor East Texan, think I will have to borrow that :)

As for revolvers, I am a LOT more accurate with a revolver then a Semi-auto. I trust Jframes a lot more then the small semi-autos of that size.
 
Standing the Heat

Flamed for carrying a revolver - There is an old saying if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. In 1990 I qualified for a Distinguished Expert Badge. To get this, I had to shoot a perfect score on 5 consecutive approved courses. When I participated in this event, My revolver of choice was an original # 3 Smith & Wesson, chambered in 44 Russian. The old break top was in NRA excellent condition and I was shooting custom loaded BP cartridges with the original factory specs. Model 29 speed loaders fit the old work horse perfectly. Flamed for carrying a revolver - sometimes you just have to consider the source.
 
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