Ever lose your cool in a shop?
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Owen Sparks
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There is a huge difference between getting upset over fraud or negligence like the story above and acting insulted when someone does not offer you what you think your stuff is worth.
Geckgo
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Just cause it's a pawn shop doesn't mean that they are going to buy anything that walks through the door. Most that I have seen are fairly small, and if they don't feel like they will ever be able to sell it, then they just are not going to bother with it. Now, selling bullion OTOH, don't get me started.
NavyLCDR
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At the time it was King Guns and Pawn in Oklahoma CIty.
91 whiskey
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I sold a muzzle loader to a pawn shop once. I got what I needed out of the deal but won't be doing that again. The reason being is that due to recent changes in state law I had to jump through more hoops to sell it to them then I did when I bought it from the gun store. I had to fill out four different forms, get my picture taken and provide a thumb print.
cyclopsshooter
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As long as the bore is good, 100 to 150 would be a fair pawn value for a rifle like that- typically pawn value (in my parts at least) is one-third to one-half the appraised value of the USED item. (granted some shops may have varying interpretation of the used value) honest shops will check out "completed" auctions on ebay or gunbroker to extrapolate a fair value. as for selling items at a pawnshop an honest store will offer one-half to two-thirds their retail.
it does sound like you dealt with a butt at your local shop but you should keep cool.. that employee may not be there forever and all his co-workers will remember is how you blew up.
and just to play devils advocate.. surplus .303 ammo isn't showing up like it once did and the rifles aren't moving very well unless they are in really good shape.
it does sound like you dealt with a butt at your local shop but you should keep cool.. that employee may not be there forever and all his co-workers will remember is how you blew up.
and just to play devils advocate.. surplus .303 ammo isn't showing up like it once did and the rifles aren't moving very well unless they are in really good shape.
I bought this Enfield No.5 Mk.1 Jungle Carbine in a pawn shop for $150. It had been D&T'd for the scope mount, and the rear sight was missing, but it's the real deal and was in great shape otherwise...and for $150? I couldn't believe it. All I can figure is they didn't know what it was and assumed it was a Bubba job of some sort.
Welcome to the free market. NO ONE is REQUIRED to give you ANYTHING for your rifle if they don't want to. If you can get a better deal elsewhere, so be it, but your attitude is way out of line. If they don't want it, they don't want it. If they think they can make money on the bayonette, then thats what they will try to get their hands on. What you think the rifle is worth is irrelevant to the pawn owner. He wants it at a price he can make a profit on. Simple economics, and the sooner to realize this, the fewer scenes you are likely to cause at your local pawnbroker. If you don't like the offer, RESPECTFULLY decline and see what you can get elsewhere. If you aren't willing to travel, and insist on doing business with the one local pawnbroker, you are at HIS mercy, not vice versa. Just becasue you aren't willing to seek a better deal doesn't make anyone obligated to pay your asking price! That's just silly
W.E.G.
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Do people really pawn stuff that isn't stolen?
lobo9er
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I'd say everyone here is right. The guy muttering out the door usually looks bad. But what are ya gonna do move on. I'm sure at one time or another we've all had our bad days.
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Actually Rondog, with that Drill and Tap job along with the stock refinishing, that was about a $150 dollar rifle. And that is giving the benefit of the doubt on bore and all. Personally, I wouldn't give more than $125 for one like that unless it had an amazingly clean crisp bore and a great feeling action.
As far as the OP goes, you were dealing with a pawn shop not a gun store. You can't expect the deal you got from the other guy. The other guy had already made money off of you when you bought the rifle. He was merciful on you which in itself is a rare thing when dealing with them.
As far as the OP goes, you were dealing with a pawn shop not a gun store. You can't expect the deal you got from the other guy. The other guy had already made money off of you when you bought the rifle. He was merciful on you which in itself is a rare thing when dealing with them.
Cop Bob
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One poster stated earlier... "Pawn Shops are Predatory" a true statement.. You entered voluntarily.. oh well... sorry, it shouldn't be that way, but unfortunately it is...
mgmorden
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I don't have pics, but I've gotten a Savage 340 .30-30 in a Pawn Shop for $99. I've also gotten a Marlin 336 in excellent condition for $165. I got a Rossi .270/20ga Combo for $79. All three were within the last 5 years (and the Rossi was only about 3 months ago) so I'm not quoting 1960's dollars or anything.
There are certainly deals in the shops if you're patient. I typically visit the two local shops in town 2 or 3 times per week. Several others in neighboring towns I visit as I pass through (for most it works out to a visit once per 3-4 weeks). The VAST majority of the time I purchase absolutely nothing. Every once in a while though I find a gem.
PS Just remembered another good find - a Winchester 670 in .225 Winchester for $225. Heck after I got that rifle I was offered $500 for it within a week. Still haven't let it go though
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Well, now you learned your lesson. Stay away from pawn shops. They were shady and greedy and underhanded before, but now that they have the internet, they can make sure they will never ever make the mistake of offering a fair price again. I stopped going to them years ago. Before the internet, they'd make the occassional mistake of selling something for a fair price or even under price. Not so anymore.
I can't see how they stay in business.
Shady gun shops are just as bad too. After being a repeat customer at one local shop when I was still in the military (I went there a lot after work, in uniform, and on weekends to shoot bullets and bull, and help other soldiers make choices, as well as make purchases myself). But when my wife went in there with me one time, the guy just couldn't resist selling her off on a new .22 Smith 317 snub for defense. She bought it against my recommendations, he pushed it on her knowing my stance, and later we went to take it back with only 50 rounds through it, expecting to loose a little on it. Well, they said it was well used and too marked up to sell at a higher price, they'd have to seriously discount it, and so they could only offer me $100. It was still a like new pistol!
Yeah, I was upset. So I stopped going. I read some stuff about this shop on local forums to find out they seriously started going downhill just about the time we bought that revolver. Like hammering Sig sights in backwards and marring up the slide, then telling the customer to suck it up, it is a combat pistol and not meant to look pretty. Not only would they not fix it, I don't think they could have... Some guy on the site offered to fix it for him for free and hooked him up --we have a good local community here.
The internet is a great place to modify business to suit the consumer, especially local sites. THR is great and all, but you can get better results on local sites bringing the bad shops to light and praising the good ones. As proof, based on the negative responses these two stores and one manufacturer engendered among many different posters, they have all lost much of their business --one looks like a junk shop now, nobody goes there anymore, another is a ghost shop now with nearly no customers and such a reduced inventory it isn't worth going. I dropped by them recently after years just because I was in the area and was curious as to how they had done based on what I had read. Not too good, let me tell you.
The manufacturer you are all familiar with. They are known for making substandard AR rifles and cutting a lot of corners. In fact, they are trashed on almost every site, including this one, so they made up their own site for owners of the junk to feel better about it and praise it in order to up their sales.
Basically put, they wronged customers and peddled junk based on a model of screwing customers popular before the internet --back when word of mouth only reached a few and didn't go far. Now word of mouth can reach many...
On the other hand, a couple of new shops sprang up, they are stellar, and word is getting out. These stores were ghost shops too... Until some folks started posting locally about the prices and the service... Now one is so packed it is hard to get in and out, and one AR specialty business went national and competes with the big guys in Shotgun News and such. This is how it should work, if you ask me.
I can't see how they stay in business.
Shady gun shops are just as bad too. After being a repeat customer at one local shop when I was still in the military (I went there a lot after work, in uniform, and on weekends to shoot bullets and bull, and help other soldiers make choices, as well as make purchases myself). But when my wife went in there with me one time, the guy just couldn't resist selling her off on a new .22 Smith 317 snub for defense. She bought it against my recommendations, he pushed it on her knowing my stance, and later we went to take it back with only 50 rounds through it, expecting to loose a little on it. Well, they said it was well used and too marked up to sell at a higher price, they'd have to seriously discount it, and so they could only offer me $100. It was still a like new pistol!
Yeah, I was upset. So I stopped going. I read some stuff about this shop on local forums to find out they seriously started going downhill just about the time we bought that revolver. Like hammering Sig sights in backwards and marring up the slide, then telling the customer to suck it up, it is a combat pistol and not meant to look pretty. Not only would they not fix it, I don't think they could have... Some guy on the site offered to fix it for him for free and hooked him up --we have a good local community here.
The internet is a great place to modify business to suit the consumer, especially local sites. THR is great and all, but you can get better results on local sites bringing the bad shops to light and praising the good ones. As proof, based on the negative responses these two stores and one manufacturer engendered among many different posters, they have all lost much of their business --one looks like a junk shop now, nobody goes there anymore, another is a ghost shop now with nearly no customers and such a reduced inventory it isn't worth going. I dropped by them recently after years just because I was in the area and was curious as to how they had done based on what I had read. Not too good, let me tell you.
The manufacturer you are all familiar with. They are known for making substandard AR rifles and cutting a lot of corners. In fact, they are trashed on almost every site, including this one, so they made up their own site for owners of the junk to feel better about it and praise it in order to up their sales.
Basically put, they wronged customers and peddled junk based on a model of screwing customers popular before the internet --back when word of mouth only reached a few and didn't go far. Now word of mouth can reach many...
On the other hand, a couple of new shops sprang up, they are stellar, and word is getting out. These stores were ghost shops too... Until some folks started posting locally about the prices and the service... Now one is so packed it is hard to get in and out, and one AR specialty business went national and competes with the big guys in Shotgun News and such. This is how it should work, if you ask me.
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jcwit
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I live in No. Indiana. How bout a Kimber Custom Stainless complete with box and all papers. No firing marks on the bolt. Cost? $400.
I'd consider that a good deal.
Yes at a Pawn Shop.
cyclopsshooter
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i hope youre joking.
jcwit
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I also hope you're joking. Being a Flea Mkt dealer for 20 years I heard that there also.
Also was called a Gypsy, course my home "a real house" was only 20 miles from the Market.
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I am afraid I must disagree with most of the posts here. I have been dealing with my local Pawn Shop for 30 years. i have bought and sold guns, gold and tools from them. Did I pay too much for a gun....well in my youth I may have, that was my ignorance. While I have never pawned anything with them I would if i needed or wanted to. THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS to make a profit.
as far as taking advantage of poor people I say no more than the Banks, Credit Card company's Realtors, AMSNOT and lawyers. At least when you make a pawn every one knows up front what the deal is. no late fees no over the limit fees no yearly fees.And not once has my Pawn shop sent me a letter with a "pre-approved Loan or Card.
BUT thats just me and MHO
PS the shop I go to has more guns than most guns shows I have been to, so thats kinda fun anyway
I am afraid I must disagree with most of the posts here. I have been dealing with my local Pawn Shop for 30 years. i have bought and sold guns, gold and tools from them. Did I pay too much for a gun....well in my youth I may have, that was my ignorance. While I have never pawned anything with them I would if i needed or wanted to. THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS to make a profit.
as far as taking advantage of poor people I say no more than the Banks, Credit Card company's Realtors, AMSNOT and lawyers. At least when you make a pawn every one knows up front what the deal is. no late fees no over the limit fees no yearly fees.And not once has my Pawn shop sent me a letter with a "pre-approved Loan or Card.
BUT thats just me and MHO
PS the shop I go to has more guns than most guns shows I have been to, so thats kinda fun anyway
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Nope, utterly counter-productive.
^^^^This. The power of the internet. Use it.
It's only libel if it is untrue.
I have been dealing with the same pawnbroker for over 25 years. I have tried taking things elsewhere and was offered a scant 10% of the estimated resale value
. When I protested that the shop down the street would give my about 1/3 of the resale, I was told I should get my fat little self out of their store and go to the one down the street. I did so. Two dozen and more years later, guess which shop is still thriving and guess where there's an empty storefront.
I have been dealing with the guy for so long that, not only do I now know the secret of NOT losing your stuff (you can pay the interest only, when the note comes due and they will rewrite the ticket, giving you another four months. I've saved many items this way...), but he will give me his rock bottom price on things. Add to that the fact that he likes my wife and when we go in there together, we can get smokin' deals on stuff, guns included.
I usually pawn when I'm broke and want to go gambling and generally, I pay the price--gun pawns for $75, four months interest is $30, ticket is $5, and the Brady is $25 = $135 redemption, and I usually lose at the casino. On one memorable day, I went in and pawned my last gun, walked over to the casino and hit a $400 jackpot. I was able to get ALL my guns out and bought a pair of binoculars besides, and still had over half my money left. This was in the days BEFORE Brady, of course.
Have I lost things? Yes, before I knew the secret. Do I continue to partonize the shop? Yes...both pawning and buying. My wife got a fairly high-end flute marked $400 for less than $200 out the door. I priced them later online and, yep, we got a GOOD deal.
Moral of the story, yes some pawnbrokers are rapacious (Pawnstars, anyone?)
and some are willing to establish a business relationship that will be of mutual benefit to both parties for years. If you find a good one, it's worth the extra milage--mine is a thirty-five mile round trip--to do business with what we used to call a "right guy".
Caveat Emptor,
ed
. When I protested that the shop down the street would give my about 1/3 of the resale, I was told I should get my fat little self out of their store and go to the one down the street. I did so. Two dozen and more years later, guess which shop is still thriving and guess where there's an empty storefront.I have been dealing with the guy for so long that, not only do I now know the secret of NOT losing your stuff (you can pay the interest only, when the note comes due and they will rewrite the ticket, giving you another four months. I've saved many items this way...
), but he will give me his rock bottom price on things. Add to that the fact that he likes my wife and when we go in there together, we can get smokin' deals on stuff, guns included.I usually pawn when I'm broke and want to go gambling and generally, I pay the price
--gun pawns for $75, four months interest is $30, ticket is $5, and the Brady is $25 = $135 redemption, and I usually lose at the casino. On one memorable day, I went in and pawned my last gun, walked over to the casino and hit a $400 jackpot. I was able to get ALL my guns out and bought a pair of binoculars besides, and still had over half my money left. This was in the days BEFORE Brady, of course. Have I lost things? Yes, before I knew the secret. Do I continue to partonize the shop? Yes...both pawning and buying. My wife got a fairly high-end flute marked $400 for less than $200 out the door. I priced them later online and, yep, we got a GOOD deal.
Moral of the story, yes some pawnbrokers are rapacious (Pawnstars, anyone?)
and some are willing to establish a business relationship that will be of mutual benefit to both parties for years. If you find a good one, it's worth the extra milage--mine is a thirty-five mile round trip--to do business with what we used to call a "right guy".Caveat Emptor,
ed
Yes, the majority of pawn shops suck. Some deals can be had with patience as several have noted. Time is money and I don't have time to mess with them. Rick on Pawn Stars is always quick to point out that you can sell anything there. He is correct. But it's 2011 and you can sell anything on the Internet without taking the beating those guys would give you. Gunbroker, Craigslist as well as eBay for accessories are all out there. If you need cash, use them. I've sold a ton of stuff on CL quickly and at a fair price.
Have you ever asked a friend or coworker for a loan with collateral? Try it some time. My grandfather takes lots of stuff on pawn for guys he knows. He isn't a crook. He is fair and makes a little cash or gets a deal on an item. I work with a guy that does the same thing.
Pawn Shops days are numbered and they know that. They make money from loans though the pawn process with crazy interest rates. My pawn shops don't sell much. It all abou the loans. That was all fine and good until we got 15 payday loans and title loan shops. Good bye and good riddance for my locals. For those of you with honest dealers, I'm sure they will stick around. But competition weeds out the poor dealers.
Have you ever asked a friend or coworker for a loan with collateral? Try it some time. My grandfather takes lots of stuff on pawn for guys he knows. He isn't a crook. He is fair and makes a little cash or gets a deal on an item. I work with a guy that does the same thing.
Pawn Shops days are numbered and they know that. They make money from loans though the pawn process with crazy interest rates. My pawn shops don't sell much. It all abou the loans. That was all fine and good until we got 15 payday loans and title loan shops. Good bye and good riddance for my locals. For those of you with honest dealers, I'm sure they will stick around. But competition weeds out the poor dealers.
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