Feedback on GunBroker Purchase
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I received a response from the shady seller, more crap in my opinion:
I replied that he cannot put conditions on a return such as only sending the money back after I remove the feedback. I told the seller that I would happily remove the negative feedback, but only once I received the full refund. I also said that I would never have had to leave the negative feedback in the first place if he had just refunded the purchase like I asked. This is another reason that I'm not going to send the gun down to his dealer and THEN remove the feedback before I get any kind of refund. I've never been in this situation, but I have a feeling that once I remove the negative feedback, I won't be able to put it back if the guy takes my money AND my gun and runs. But I simply refuse to remove the feedback on principle until I receive the refund. If the seller is unwilling to play by the rules, we'll have to explore a different route.
I replied that he cannot put conditions on a return such as only sending the money back after I remove the feedback. I told the seller that I would happily remove the negative feedback, but only once I received the full refund. I also said that I would never have had to leave the negative feedback in the first place if he had just refunded the purchase like I asked. This is another reason that I'm not going to send the gun down to his dealer and THEN remove the feedback before I get any kind of refund. I've never been in this situation, but I have a feeling that once I remove the negative feedback, I won't be able to put it back if the guy takes my money AND my gun and runs. But I simply refuse to remove the feedback on principle until I receive the refund. If the seller is unwilling to play by the rules, we'll have to explore a different route.
teumessian_fox
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I'm impressed that you got the seller to come this far. I think you're on the right track (sending the gun to his dealer, etc). Just make sure you've got his agreement in writing and have a paper trail. Once the dealer confirms you returned it, if the seller refuses to refund the money, that's theft. That's a whole different ballgame.
I'm not sure that's accurate. I was looking at a M1A Scout and this guy has what I'm looking for. But he's got several negatives, plus many of his positives are merely as a buyer, so I'm going to pass. Pity.
Anyway, he burned a guy and the guy left negative feedback. The seller responded to the feedback. Then the guy responded to the response.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=984162
I'm not sure that's accurate. I was looking at a M1A Scout and this guy has what I'm looking for. But he's got several negatives, plus many of his positives are merely as a buyer, so I'm going to pass. Pity.
Anyway, he burned a guy and the guy left negative feedback. The seller responded to the feedback. Then the guy responded to the response.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=984162
IMTHDUKE
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I have bought and sold 38 guns on GB. I have a A+ rating. From what you describe, I would post a negative feedback in a heartbeat for that. And I would state why....BUYER BEWARE.
DAdams
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You have certainly warned me off on any possible future GB purchase I have been considering.
You are right approaching this cooly....since "revenge is a dish best served cold".
I would want a full refund and maintain the negative comment since the product was definitely mis-represented and the seller obviously knew that.
The price you paid deserved something of much better quality from a "market" price standpoint.
Buyer beware or course, but after reading this I wouldn't even consider a GB purchase because life is too short to deal with this kind of crap.
Me I would hire an attorney and spend $5K just to teach the dirtbag a lesson. I am steamed up just reading this.
You are right approaching this cooly....since "revenge is a dish best served cold".
I would want a full refund and maintain the negative comment since the product was definitely mis-represented and the seller obviously knew that.
The price you paid deserved something of much better quality from a "market" price standpoint.
Buyer beware or course, but after reading this I wouldn't even consider a GB purchase because life is too short to deal with this kind of crap.
Me I would hire an attorney and spend $5K just to teach the dirtbag a lesson. I am steamed up just reading this.
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I appreciate all the support from everyone. I didn't mean to turn everyone off from purchases from Gun Broker. But this taught me that I don't think I will ever buy a gun sight-unseen from anyone except directly from the manufacturer or reputable dealer. Probably the best thing I've learned out of this whole ordeal is that guns are too plentiful to take chances on one that you can't inspect ahead of time, even ones that are considered hard to find. If I cant' get my hands around it before I buy it, then it's probably not something I really need anyway.
As far as I can tell, at least as far as those Auctions I have won, Gunbroker has about the same percentage, if maybe even less of a percentage, of Bad Apples, as doing Business in daily life does.
e-bay, is about the same in that way, as far as those Auctions I have won, where in my experience with both, if anything, I have found far fewer scammers or cheats or bad-attitude sellers there, than what is usual for trying to do business in person and in daily like.
If considering to bid on Arms listed on Gunbroker, of course look at the images very carefully.
Request more images be added to the Listing, or, e-mailed to you directly, if wishing for further details to be shown.
e-mail the Seller with any questions about condition, timing, lock up, bore, serial numbers matching, etc.
Review the Seller's Feed Back, what kind of feedback it is, and note whether the Seller obtained the Feed Back as a Seller, or, as a Buyer, or both.
Try and get a 'feel' for the Seller's attitude and interest in the item, the seller's ways of doing things, ways of communication, directness, clearity, powers of observation, responsiveness to your questions, etc.
Many excellent Guns get listed by indifferent, uninformed, casual, bad-attitude, chip-on-the-shoulder, or inexperiences Sellers, who do not take decent images or describe the item informedly, so, some listings will have merely one or two crappy, badly lit images, and, a terse incomplete and often incorrect description, yet, it is an excellent Arm, and, may go for a bargain too, being so badly listed.
It is all a matter of judgement, powers of observation, and, intuition even, to evaluate what is being presented, and, the countinance or bearing of who is presenting it.
Many sellers simply will not or do not reply to questions, for reasons unknown, whatever the actual condition of the Arm or quality of description is.
Calculated risk taken as a buyer, is just that. It can pay off very well, or, not, also of course.
Some of my Gunbroker winnings were just that - a definite calculated risk.
Seller merely has a short superficial listing, a couple bad images taken at an angle from four feet away in dim light, Seller having no prior FB or very low FB, Seller did not reply to questions, and...
Usualy, I will "pass' on Listings like that..! Lol...
But, a few times, I thought to myself " Let's give this a try anyway", and, I would bid, be the only bidder, and win.
Seller then communicates, apologises for not replying to prior in house e-mails, says he was out of town, inherited some old Gus and does not know much about them, he then ships the Armn same day as my Money Order arrives, Arm Arrives, in fantastic near minty condition, perfect mechanically, well packaged, and, I am very happy, and won it for what would have been the price for a real 5th rate beater of that Model.
If interested in anything over a couple hundred dollars, I would say, always communicate with the Seller while the Auction is running, establish some history of communication in which to evaluate the whole and the Arm, and, to have that as a basis also of course, should one win, if there is then any disappointment once the Arm arrives.
e-bay, is about the same in that way, as far as those Auctions I have won, where in my experience with both, if anything, I have found far fewer scammers or cheats or bad-attitude sellers there, than what is usual for trying to do business in person and in daily like.
If considering to bid on Arms listed on Gunbroker, of course look at the images very carefully.
Request more images be added to the Listing, or, e-mailed to you directly, if wishing for further details to be shown.
e-mail the Seller with any questions about condition, timing, lock up, bore, serial numbers matching, etc.
Review the Seller's Feed Back, what kind of feedback it is, and note whether the Seller obtained the Feed Back as a Seller, or, as a Buyer, or both.
Try and get a 'feel' for the Seller's attitude and interest in the item, the seller's ways of doing things, ways of communication, directness, clearity, powers of observation, responsiveness to your questions, etc.
Many excellent Guns get listed by indifferent, uninformed, casual, bad-attitude, chip-on-the-shoulder, or inexperiences Sellers, who do not take decent images or describe the item informedly, so, some listings will have merely one or two crappy, badly lit images, and, a terse incomplete and often incorrect description, yet, it is an excellent Arm, and, may go for a bargain too, being so badly listed.
It is all a matter of judgement, powers of observation, and, intuition even, to evaluate what is being presented, and, the countinance or bearing of who is presenting it.
Many sellers simply will not or do not reply to questions, for reasons unknown, whatever the actual condition of the Arm or quality of description is.
Calculated risk taken as a buyer, is just that. It can pay off very well, or, not, also of course.
Some of my Gunbroker winnings were just that - a definite calculated risk.
Seller merely has a short superficial listing, a couple bad images taken at an angle from four feet away in dim light, Seller having no prior FB or very low FB, Seller did not reply to questions, and...
Usualy, I will "pass' on Listings like that..! Lol...
But, a few times, I thought to myself " Let's give this a try anyway", and, I would bid, be the only bidder, and win.
Seller then communicates, apologises for not replying to prior in house e-mails, says he was out of town, inherited some old Gus and does not know much about them, he then ships the Armn same day as my Money Order arrives, Arm Arrives, in fantastic near minty condition, perfect mechanically, well packaged, and, I am very happy, and won it for what would have been the price for a real 5th rate beater of that Model.
If interested in anything over a couple hundred dollars, I would say, always communicate with the Seller while the Auction is running, establish some history of communication in which to evaluate the whole and the Arm, and, to have that as a basis also of course, should one win, if there is then any disappointment once the Arm arrives.
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