First hand account of the Von Maur (Omaha, Nebraska) shooting

[BrewCityProp]

50 yard shot?

I have a question. read several posts discussing a 50 yard shot under stress.

I don't know this store, BUT what dept. store at Christmas time has room for 50 yard clear line of sight (the author clearly describes clear line of sight)

Isn't it much more likely this distance is way off? I think you would have trouble finding anywhere in a packed store with 50 foot line of sight and I don't see how you get 50 yards.

Cheers

 

[MikeS63301]

BrewCity, you make a good point.

Look at the picture with circles of where the shooter and author were in relation to each other, then look at the cars on the parking lot. You can almost figure about how far they were in relation to the size of the cars. And I'm sure those aren't all big ol' '72 Cadillac Sedan Deville's either. I don't see how it's possible to be 50+ yards.

 

[JohnKSa]

"SEVERE disadvantage." Wow!!! But, I'll take that over UNARMED against a rifle shooter ANY OLD TIME.

Why didn't you quote the rest of my post?

I don't think that's sufficient rationale for saying that a person with a CCW should always turn and leave in a similar situation. Sometimes it's not just about the odds of surviving.

The point of my post wasn't that a person shouldn't arm himself nor that he shouldn't respond, it was only to point out that his odds of survival are poor if he chooses to engage a rifle shooter with a typical CCW. I'm not sure why my rational assessment of the situation seems to offend you...

By the way, the standard in these situations is a quick suicide when the shooter meets armed resistance.

The two shootings I had in mind, the Arroyo/Wilson and the Maldonado/McKown encounters, the shooter did not commit suicide. Wilson was killed and McKown was paralyzed. Arroyo left the scene and was killed by police while Maldonado later surrendered.

I do agree that in most cases, the shooters seem pretty "ready" to end it all if things start to go against them, but it's not something that one can count on.

 

[Malamute]

"Once again it's threads like this one that truly show how castrated and full of the slave mentality the gun culture is."



Interesting observation. I agree.


The words that came to my mind were "whiney crybaby" mentality. I asked a mod about using the term and was told that as long as it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, it was fine by him. So, I won't direct it at anyone in particular. I'm just surprised to observe that the mentality so evident in this thread.

Really makes me wonder why some carry at all.

 

[Old Guy]

Starting where the witness was (position) and me the person looking at the almost back facing person, with the rifle firing.

I could have hit that person multiple times, I am a very good shot (shot the top center fire score in 80 years at my local gun club) carry the same Glock 19, that I shoot in IDPA matches. An old guy, not given to panicking.

Sixteen rounds of 127 ranger in pistol, one Glock 17 spare mag on off side. It is crazy to forbid guns in malls (Don't see, don't tell!) I would continue to fire till threat neutralized, holster, call 911. Be very careful only single shooter, till local Police arrive.

 

[Sam1911]

As others said before me, "Back to the crypt..."