Found a Win 94 from 1908. . .

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I was in Cabela's today, just checking out the goods and seeing if there was anything new, and lo and behold, a Winchester 94 on the used rack that looked to be in pretty decent (not great) shape. It's the first time I've ever seen a used Winchester 94 at Cabela's, so I was pretty excited to learn something.

Found the serial number and got on my phone to date it. SN was 460###, giving it a manufacture year in 1907 or 1908 ('08 seems more likely, given the information on page 9 of this link).

Price was only $450, which surprised me. Like I said, it was in respectable shape for a gun over 100 years old. Heck, it would have been pretty good shape for a gun manufactured 25 years ago. A couple minor rust spots on the barrel and especially on/under the rear sight, a nice, even aging of the metal (but no rust) all over the receiver and action, and the wood was all great. I would have expected it to be much more expensive. It was chambered in .30 WCF, which from what I understand is exactly identical to .30-30, and it's perfectly safe to fire even the hottest .30-30 loads in a gun chambered .30 WCF.

They had another Win 94 inside the gun library, and the SN on this one put it around 1903. It was in better shape, but not pristine. If this one was a 9/10 as far as condition, the first one couldn't have been worse than 7/10. And the one inside the library was up for $1400, IIRC. Not sure what the deal was as far as the major gap in price. Maybe something was wrong with the one I handled for $450, but I gave it a good look-over and didn't see anything.

Figured I'd share. I had always heard pre-64 Win 94s are shooting up in price and it's very rare to find one in good condition under $700 or so. If I had the money, I probably would have jumped on it. The only thing I wasn't crazy about was it didn't have a full-length magazine/tube under the barrel; it was only about half as long. Just made the aesthetics much different, and for me, less desirable than the "classic" looking Win 94 we're used to seeing in movies.
 
The difference might hsve been in the short magazine.

A Carbine would have had a full lenght mag tube.

Most rifles that old would too.

But a carbine or rifle with a damaged mag tube might have had it cut off shorter then the barrel to get past the damaged part.

And that hopefully, would be reflected in the lower price.

If it was an undamaged short magazine rifle?
It would have been in the gun library with the $1,400 one!

But priced at twice that!

rc
 
Yep, the only reason I was able to get this 1901 model for $500 was because it had been cut to 20". If the job was done fairly well, sometimes you can get a good deal on a great rifle just because it's been modified from original.

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And sometimes, but not very often, a shop lets some get through. I've seen that happen at Cabelas a few times. Usually it involves some variation in a collectors niche that has a higher value than the more common varieties normally seen. I love when that happens ! That would seem to be less likely with a Win94, though. Lots of guys know and like those. And usually I find Cabelas used gun prices to be higher than I'd like to pay.
 
Love to see the old '94s.

Mine was made in 1913 and according to the old gent my Dad bought it from in Monterrey 50 years ago, he carried it in the 1914 Revolucion.

No finish left and some scattered pitting, but a nice patina - very good bore (which is unusual for a gun used south of the Rio Grande). Very solid & tight and still a good shooter:

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That's a good deal. I strongly considered a 1927 awhile back for $650. I would say 85% condition. I don't reload the cartridge and don't need another so I left it. All of the pre 40's guns are getting expensive.
 
Gotta love Cabela's used rack and Gun Library! They do get some gems from time to time.

It's dangerous for some of us though. Antique rifle gear-heads can be tempted to buy some of the most absurd things.

I was actually standing in the aisle one time at our Cabela's nearby in Hamburg, PA, holding a Win. 1910 (.401 WSL), without a magazine, wondering where I'd come up with the money for this thing I just had to have ... I mean, what's wrong with me? :D
 
That pistol grip stock isn't normal for a 94 either, is it? Looks like the lever is different too.....
 
Bobson, some 94's had what they call button magazines and they protruded only about an inch or so from the forearm. the forearm should have a metal cap on it and the stock should have a crescent steel butt plate. Salvo and Bbear's rifles have the crescent butt plate.
Take a look at Armybrats rifle. That is what they call a saddle carbine butt plate
Rcmodel is correct, that is no ordinary wood on Bbears rifle. Wood that was checkered, and that fancy, and pistol grips were special order. Definitely consider getting a letter from Cody, Wyoming on that rifle.
After world war II they did make a rifle in 30 WCF with pistol grips and a button
magazine but they called it a model 64.
The price of $450 that Cabela's has on that rifle isn't bad, even if its only a shooter. Just make sure it got a clean bore. There was a time when magizines were cut down because of style and decrease in weight. If it cut off looks good and the cap on the end of the magazine is nicely rounded it may well be a mod done by a professional gun smith. Perhaps it was modified by Winchester.
I'd buy the rifle. As a parts gun its worth $275
 
To the OP, I can't believe you didn't buy it. I would have figured out some wat to come up with the $. OTH, I do know about being broke.
 
highpower : "To the OP, I can't believe you didn't buy it. I would have figured out some wat to come up with the $. OTH, I do know about being broke. "

lol ! You're torturing the guy ;)

Maybe six months ago I found an older Marlin 357 lever gun at a local Cabelas for a good price, basically the same price as a standard used 30-30. I was looking for something else & was focused on that so I passed on the Marlin. I came to my senses and when I got home, 40 minutes later, I called Cabelas and asked them to hold it for me & that I was coming to pick it up. Of course, in the meanwhile another guy had spotted it and bought it.

I don't see bargains that often at Cabelas, and I passed one up. I hope that buyer is enjoying 'my rifle' now. ;)


I'm a big levergun fan, especially of the older ones. Ya just about can't call yourself an American rifleman, and not own at least one Winchester 94 !
 
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The prices on used guns at our local Cabela's make me wanna puke. Ain't gonna get any bargains there.
 
Bobson, some 94's had what they call button magazines and they protruded only about an inch or so from the forearm. the forearm should have a metal cap on it
Yep, a metal cap and a sling swivel on the cap that prevented it from being unscrewed unless the tube was separated from the barrel.

I honestly don't recall whether or not it had a crescent butt plate.
 
The pawn shop that I do firearms repair for has two much older 1905 and 1925 model 94s one has definitely been refurbished and they're asking $1700+ for it the other one is in pretty decent shape and they are only asking like $795.00 for.

The one that has been refurbished had such a fine polishing job done they took off the caliber on the barrel, incidentally I do believe it is 25-35 but don't hold me to that at least they did leave the serial number on it.
 
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I'm with you, Sam1911. They are an addiction - I would have snapped it up for $450. Just the smell of old wood and varnish, old oil and steel can make intelligent and shrewd men lose wallet control. I paid $550 for a 1956 M94 in vg overall shape, great bore, 90% blue, a little rust on the steel buttplate, and was like a kid at Christmas until dat ol' debbil doubt came on me... But I love it, just like all its peers in the other safes, and will likely snap up another one when the spirit gets willin' and the wallet gets fat - my casket won't have a safe deposit box ;)
 
Bbear,

That is one of the most spectacular original vintage 94s I've ever seen. What a family treasure!
 
Bbear, that is one beautiful family heirloom, worth it's weight in gold none the less, not to mention the memories of a firearm like that.
 
Went back to Cabela's today (didn't buy anything, just looked... what can I say?). The rifle that started this thread is still there, and I got three pictures of it.

Bobson, some 94's had what they call button magazines and they protruded only about an inch or so from the forearm. the forearm should have a metal cap on it and the stock should have a crescent steel butt plate.
Looks like it might be an original "button magazine?" It has a flat butt plate though, not a crescent one. Also grabbed a picture of the receiver just to show it. 20" barrel on this rifle (carbine?), btw.
 

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