Yeah I know.
Now play the game: apples, oranges, or pears?
And please play by the rules:
-You're me
-You tuck.
-No IWB.
-Pocket carry = primary
-And let's just get this out of the way: I concede that a J-frame is the real solution to pocket carry. Fourteen ounces of Dymondwood and Scanditonium*, 5x.357mag from two inches? Incredible!-Jim Rome. Really just indulging the autoloader crowd here, so for now ixnay on the amefray.
-Your job requires abolute concealment; your lifestyle demands comfort.
-You are of the school that, if I have a gun, it's going to be a gun I can shoot. I want to be able to put a few hundred rounds through it as often as I fancy, don't need anything "Meant to be carried alot, and shot a little" (i'm looking in your direction... you know who you augher).
26
ReliabilityXquality are all belong to GLOCK*. Also, the 26 ranks first in firepower among the three, and that's before considering it can feed off my G34's mags. Toughest of the three easily. GLOCK's trigger & manual-of-arms I am familiar with and love <sips Kool-Aid>. But considering this would be endured all the time as a pocket primary, it definitely pushes the limits of size. After surveying the Baby-G Pocketiers, it does seem my Dickies are big enough to hide this nine after all, given the right holster.
If comfortable in the pocket, the 26 would easily be my first choice.
PM9
The PM9 maximizes qualityXcompactness*. Great sights, nice fit and finish- yes yes, I know the real winner in this regard is Rohrbaugh; <shakes head> too awesmome. More of a max along it's own incomprehensible function, simultaneously existing within infinite uniquely distinct dimensions, transcending the very nature of being and time/space; if you will**.
Anyways, reliability might trump fit/finish, but from what they (the internet) say about Kahr's customer service, I trust it would eventually be made reliable or replaced, jic I didn't happen to pick a winner (so help me moon). Of course even that is time and money added to a price already pushing my budget. I guess I just hate the fact that the most expensive does not translate to a sure thing. I do shoot well with the PM40 though (have only dry fired/fondled PM9). I like the trigger, and there's enough "there" to grip well and shoot accurately. PM's stock sights are easily the best of the three.
If out-of-the-box reliable, I might compromise mag compatability, firepower, and toughness for splurging on the flat & slim PM.
P3AT
Trigger and shootability are completely unkown quantities to me. Good thing about the P3AT is, if I have to roll the dice, I'd rather risk $200+ than $500+, especially considering Kel-Tec's CS has a similiar reputation to that of Kahr's. Wouldn't mind just assuming I'll have to pay $40 in shipping before I even buy, so as not to be disappointed. I'll just consider it part of the price. Plus, one KNOWN quantity is it's higher on the compactnessXprice curve than the other two do on their respective functions, maybe the best overall value period. I just fear that if there exists a road to my second pocket pistol, it most likely starts behind the P3AT. Because even if it works, I'm not going to like pocketing the looks or spending time behind the trigger; not as much as the Kahr or GLOCK anyways. Eh, if I was buying for pretty & smooth, it'd be a two pound sp101 (oops) with wood grips, or a an MK9 Elite... with wood grips. Really, my official objection to the P3AT is that the .380 cartridge sits right on my southern border*.
If enough firepower for primary, I would settle for the P3AT.
Of course the idea is to find the smallest option you are certain will work, can shoot well, and with whose firepower you feel comfortable- all relative. The wisdom advising "dress to fit your choice of firearm, rather than choose a firearm to fit your clothes", is screaming GLOCK to me. But on paper, when you boil down the analysis of "small&comfy enough to make sure I always actually have it" X Firepower X Quality X Shootability x Sights (minus price & initial reliability), it looks like Kahr is the clear winner*. The kel-tec just somehow feels like the easy way out*. At only 2+ bills for the smallest possible carrry, the P3AT is almost so obvious it's gotta be a trick... but do you have FAITH?!** LOTS of people have these, and it is my prediction to win this poll. Similarly, GLOCK is kind of an easy way out. One-way postage only, because you know it'll work from round one*. So yeah, no worries in that regard, but will you actually carry it, always? Kahr is expensive in initial cost and possible send-back time/hassle/gun deprivation, but man is it alot of gun in such a tight package.
Guess one strategy would be just start from the top. Buy the G26 and see how it works in the pocket. Don't shoot it, and if it's too big I can sell it as-new and hopefully take less of a hit if I trade "up" for a Kahr*. But if I've got the swingers to keep it in my pocket, I'll just start shopping for holsters.
BTW *** is BOBO pocketing these days lol... ihispc, htrho.
BTW Kahr guys- is it right that even if a PM is working reliably, you're still going to see peening*; as in it's kind of expected/accepted? Or will Kahr generally do something about only that, as well?
BTW Kel-Tec guys- does the P3AT have a drop safety? JHP or FMJ (have heard the latter*) & who makes the most potent round @ what @velocity (or energy rating etc, if anyone knows (have heard GoldeN Sabre and Santa Something*). You guys shoot those things alot, or pretty much just for break-in, then rarely thereafter?
BTW this guy submits that GLOCK stock sights > those of Kahr lol (and I thought I was bad) in this interesting comparison of p32/p9/g26: http://www.a-human-right.com/p9vsg26.html
Thanks all.
*IMESMFHOODK AAYMFMMVB; MGTBBFTMFSSACC... CTFO; IAFJCTFD
**SBTWWTFAITO?
Now play the game: apples, oranges, or pears?
And please play by the rules:
-You're me
-You tuck.
-No IWB.
-Pocket carry = primary
-And let's just get this out of the way: I concede that a J-frame is the real solution to pocket carry. Fourteen ounces of Dymondwood and Scanditonium*, 5x.357mag from two inches? Incredible!-Jim Rome. Really just indulging the autoloader crowd here, so for now ixnay on the amefray.
-Your job requires abolute concealment; your lifestyle demands comfort.
-You are of the school that, if I have a gun, it's going to be a gun I can shoot. I want to be able to put a few hundred rounds through it as often as I fancy, don't need anything "Meant to be carried alot, and shot a little" (i'm looking in your direction... you know who you augher).
26
ReliabilityXquality are all belong to GLOCK*. Also, the 26 ranks first in firepower among the three, and that's before considering it can feed off my G34's mags. Toughest of the three easily. GLOCK's trigger & manual-of-arms I am familiar with and love <sips Kool-Aid>. But considering this would be endured all the time as a pocket primary, it definitely pushes the limits of size. After surveying the Baby-G Pocketiers, it does seem my Dickies are big enough to hide this nine after all, given the right holster.
If comfortable in the pocket, the 26 would easily be my first choice.
PM9
The PM9 maximizes qualityXcompactness*. Great sights, nice fit and finish- yes yes, I know the real winner in this regard is Rohrbaugh; <shakes head> too awesmome. More of a max along it's own incomprehensible function, simultaneously existing within infinite uniquely distinct dimensions, transcending the very nature of being and time/space; if you will**.
Anyways, reliability might trump fit/finish, but from what they (the internet) say about Kahr's customer service, I trust it would eventually be made reliable or replaced, jic I didn't happen to pick a winner (so help me moon). Of course even that is time and money added to a price already pushing my budget. I guess I just hate the fact that the most expensive does not translate to a sure thing. I do shoot well with the PM40 though (have only dry fired/fondled PM9). I like the trigger, and there's enough "there" to grip well and shoot accurately. PM's stock sights are easily the best of the three.
If out-of-the-box reliable, I might compromise mag compatability, firepower, and toughness for splurging on the flat & slim PM.
P3AT
Trigger and shootability are completely unkown quantities to me. Good thing about the P3AT is, if I have to roll the dice, I'd rather risk $200+ than $500+, especially considering Kel-Tec's CS has a similiar reputation to that of Kahr's. Wouldn't mind just assuming I'll have to pay $40 in shipping before I even buy, so as not to be disappointed. I'll just consider it part of the price. Plus, one KNOWN quantity is it's higher on the compactnessXprice curve than the other two do on their respective functions, maybe the best overall value period. I just fear that if there exists a road to my second pocket pistol, it most likely starts behind the P3AT. Because even if it works, I'm not going to like pocketing the looks or spending time behind the trigger; not as much as the Kahr or GLOCK anyways. Eh, if I was buying for pretty & smooth, it'd be a two pound sp101 (oops) with wood grips, or a an MK9 Elite... with wood grips. Really, my official objection to the P3AT is that the .380 cartridge sits right on my southern border*.
If enough firepower for primary, I would settle for the P3AT.
Of course the idea is to find the smallest option you are certain will work, can shoot well, and with whose firepower you feel comfortable- all relative. The wisdom advising "dress to fit your choice of firearm, rather than choose a firearm to fit your clothes", is screaming GLOCK to me. But on paper, when you boil down the analysis of "small&comfy enough to make sure I always actually have it" X Firepower X Quality X Shootability x Sights (minus price & initial reliability), it looks like Kahr is the clear winner*. The kel-tec just somehow feels like the easy way out*. At only 2+ bills for the smallest possible carrry, the P3AT is almost so obvious it's gotta be a trick... but do you have FAITH?!** LOTS of people have these, and it is my prediction to win this poll. Similarly, GLOCK is kind of an easy way out. One-way postage only, because you know it'll work from round one*. So yeah, no worries in that regard, but will you actually carry it, always? Kahr is expensive in initial cost and possible send-back time/hassle/gun deprivation, but man is it alot of gun in such a tight package.
Guess one strategy would be just start from the top. Buy the G26 and see how it works in the pocket. Don't shoot it, and if it's too big I can sell it as-new and hopefully take less of a hit if I trade "up" for a Kahr*. But if I've got the swingers to keep it in my pocket, I'll just start shopping for holsters.
BTW *** is BOBO pocketing these days lol... ihispc, htrho.
BTW Kahr guys- is it right that even if a PM is working reliably, you're still going to see peening*; as in it's kind of expected/accepted? Or will Kahr generally do something about only that, as well?
BTW Kel-Tec guys- does the P3AT have a drop safety? JHP or FMJ (have heard the latter*) & who makes the most potent round @ what @velocity (or energy rating etc, if anyone knows (have heard GoldeN Sabre and Santa Something*). You guys shoot those things alot, or pretty much just for break-in, then rarely thereafter?
BTW this guy submits that GLOCK stock sights > those of Kahr lol (and I thought I was bad) in this interesting comparison of p32/p9/g26: http://www.a-human-right.com/p9vsg26.html
Thanks all.
*IMESMFHOODK AAYMFMMVB; MGTBBFTMFSSACC... CTFO; IAFJCTFD
**SBTWWTFAITO?