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Optical Serenity
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I'd gladly give up every gun in the world, along with every other possession, to have just one minute with the woman in my life.
The sadness here is that you are even considering a worldly possession over a person. I say that also criticizing her for wanting to give you up for a possession as well.
"Can't we all just get along?"
The sadness here is that you are even considering a worldly possession over a person. I say that also criticizing her for wanting to give you up for a possession as well.
"Can't we all just get along?"
budney
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Optical, there must be more to your story. Are you a widower? Without more context, what you're saying sounds rather extreme. Give up everything for one minute with a woman?
--Len.
--Len.
fastbolt
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I generally avoid offering anything even remotely sounding like 'advice' when it comes to women, child-rearing and spiritual beliefs. Too much grief. No benefit.
I can, however, offer an experience of mine which occurred in similar circumstances ...
At that time I was younger than you by just more than a decade. A young woman I had been seeing for several months was seemingly happy with our exclusive relationship (as was I) and it seemed we were becoming more than a little seriously involved. We lived a couple of hours from each other, but the time and effort involved seemed easily worth it to both of us.
Then, one day ...
My involvement in the martial arts and interest in firearms suddenly seemed to have become a problem. Granted, I'd only been involved in the arts for a few years at that time, but I'd been interested in firearms since childhood, an interest which I actively shared with my father.
Being young, when given an ultimatum requiring I choose between her and my involvement in martial arts and firearms ... I basically answered that I'd been involved with the arts and firearms a lot longer than I'd been involved with her, and I wished her well.
A year or so passed by. I realized there still wasn't a shortage of other interesting young women in the world.
The universe being the strange and unpredictable place that it is, quite by accident I encountered her again after our year's separation (during which we'd had no contact whatsoever).
We were engaged and married a handful of months later.
My interest and involvement with firearms and the martial arts was no longer a 'problem' for her.
That was 32 years ago.
She eventually developed a limited interest in some of the arts, but has never become interested in firearms. Her choice, which I respect, and she doesn't make it my problem.
Hell, she even encouraged me to get back into riding motorcycles, which I hadn't done since high school, when she saw I became interested in them in my late 40's. I presently own my 5th motorcycle since then ... a new Yamaha Stratoliner Midnight, having traded in a very nice 2001 Yamaha Road Star Midnight (1600cc model) on which I'd put over 23,000 miles. I'm very, very pleased with my Stratoliner.
Then, she accepted my new interest in good cigars ... although it surprised her a bit, since I hadn't ever smoked since we've been together. She does require that I smoke them outside our house, which I consider very reasonable. I can enjoy them in our courtyard, or with friends at one of the cigar lounges where I'm a member.
Next, she understood the importance of cultivating an appreciation for a fine Bourbon, Scotch whiskey and Port to accompany the cigars.
The funny thing is that I generally spend more on motorcycles and cigars than I do on guns. Just the other night I dropped about $500 on 3 boxes of some fine cigars at a cigar tasting event.
Relationships shouldn't require unilateral compromise ... but that might just be my misguided thinking.
Do as you will.
It's your life ... as she sees fit for you to live it, of course.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Anyhow, nobody can make such decisions for anyone else.
My material possessions are only that ... material possessions ... but I prize my wife above all else.
Fortunately for me, my rash decision as a young man didn't ruin my life, and things worked out well ...
I can, however, offer an experience of mine which occurred in similar circumstances ...
At that time I was younger than you by just more than a decade. A young woman I had been seeing for several months was seemingly happy with our exclusive relationship (as was I) and it seemed we were becoming more than a little seriously involved. We lived a couple of hours from each other, but the time and effort involved seemed easily worth it to both of us.
Then, one day ...
My involvement in the martial arts and interest in firearms suddenly seemed to have become a problem. Granted, I'd only been involved in the arts for a few years at that time, but I'd been interested in firearms since childhood, an interest which I actively shared with my father.
Being young, when given an ultimatum requiring I choose between her and my involvement in martial arts and firearms ... I basically answered that I'd been involved with the arts and firearms a lot longer than I'd been involved with her, and I wished her well.
A year or so passed by. I realized there still wasn't a shortage of other interesting young women in the world.
The universe being the strange and unpredictable place that it is, quite by accident I encountered her again after our year's separation (during which we'd had no contact whatsoever).
We were engaged and married a handful of months later.
My interest and involvement with firearms and the martial arts was no longer a 'problem' for her.
That was 32 years ago.
She eventually developed a limited interest in some of the arts, but has never become interested in firearms. Her choice, which I respect, and she doesn't make it my problem.
Hell, she even encouraged me to get back into riding motorcycles, which I hadn't done since high school, when she saw I became interested in them in my late 40's. I presently own my 5th motorcycle since then ... a new Yamaha Stratoliner Midnight, having traded in a very nice 2001 Yamaha Road Star Midnight (1600cc model) on which I'd put over 23,000 miles. I'm very, very pleased with my Stratoliner.
Then, she accepted my new interest in good cigars ... although it surprised her a bit, since I hadn't ever smoked since we've been together. She does require that I smoke them outside our house, which I consider very reasonable. I can enjoy them in our courtyard, or with friends at one of the cigar lounges where I'm a member.
Next, she understood the importance of cultivating an appreciation for a fine Bourbon, Scotch whiskey and Port to accompany the cigars.
The funny thing is that I generally spend more on motorcycles and cigars than I do on guns. Just the other night I dropped about $500 on 3 boxes of some fine cigars at a cigar tasting event.
Relationships shouldn't require unilateral compromise ... but that might just be my misguided thinking.
Do as you will.
It's your life ... as she sees fit for you to live it, of course.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Anyhow, nobody can make such decisions for anyone else.
My material possessions are only that ... material possessions ... but I prize my wife above all else.
Fortunately for me, my rash decision as a young man didn't ruin my life, and things worked out well ...
xd9fan
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Doesnt sound like she is compromising........relationships are about fair compromises (based on Love and respect)
The way you post...it doesnt sound like a fair game at all.
Green Lantern
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+1 to budney - hearing the "rest of the story," if you're so inclined, would probably help make your case better.
In a heartbeat, I'd give up all of my guns to bring my Mom back from the dead, healthy again. I'd give them all up to cure my cousin's severe depression and panic attacks.
In general, of course "people" are 'worth more' than possessions...
...but it sounds like YOUR woman is, well, 'worth more' than the OP's woman.
Just like my "women" I mentioned that I would give anything up for.But the OP's woman, irrational control-freaks, you give them an inch and they won't stop until THEY are the lord and master of the whole mile?
If you want to surrender to someone like that, fine. I never would, and like most everyone else here, don't think the OP should either.
SniperStraz
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If you can even consider asking random online people (no offense all) about dumping this girl then you're relationship must not be worth squat anyway.
Powderman
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Ya know, a demonstration and declaration of true love is NOT the fact that you may be willing to give up everything for the woman you love....
It's knowing that you would give up everything for her.....
but also knowing that she would NEVER ask you to do so.
It's knowing that you would give up everything for her.....
but also knowing that she would NEVER ask you to do so.
damien
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Please post a picture so we can make an informed decision. 
I've dated a fair number of girls who didn't approve of what was in my pockets (1911, 2 mags, SW 642, Speedstrip, Surefire Z2, Emerson CQC-7B, etc). I realized a long time ago that I need to be happy with myself, and if that other person loves me they will not try and change me. 2 weeks ago I married the love of my life (damn that sounds gay) who supports my hobby and doesn't let me leave home unarmed (like I need help with that). Oddly enough she's from Scotland where no one has guns. But she is smart enough to realize that gun control only makes it safer for the bad guy. I guess they do turn out some smart people at Oxford.
First it's your guns, then other things. Trust me.
First it's your guns, then other things. Trust me.
xd9fan
Member
Bingo!
If more adults acted like this....just imagine
30 cal slob
Member
*cough*
Gun ownership in a relationship is of exactly the same utility in it's usefulness as a "litmus test" for our politicians.
I'd bet good money that every poster who'd give up all their firearms to keep their girlfriend or spouse also has a girlfriend or spouse who'd never demand they give up their firearms for "just because" reasons. Most of us who were with someone who would do that are no longer with that person. And like a bell curve distribution, most of use are in a relationship somewhere in between, and just like life, there is argument, compromise, and standing one's ground.
(Obviously, someone who'd drain family finances on a gun obsession, or suggesting selling off a collection in extreme financial straits is a different matter…)
I can understand the fear argument (if it's truly legitimate), and that can be dealt with reason, education, and exposure. But someone who wants to deprive you of something core to your identity or that makes you happy for reasons borne of control or insecurity, is by definition, not someone worth keeping. And your firearm collection is easily more important than "that person".
Admittedly, it's kind of a catch-22, and a case of circular logic, but essentialy the significant other who accepts firearm ownership is the significant other worth more than the firearms.
I'd bet good money that every poster who'd give up all their firearms to keep their girlfriend or spouse also has a girlfriend or spouse who'd never demand they give up their firearms for "just because" reasons. Most of us who were with someone who would do that are no longer with that person. And like a bell curve distribution, most of use are in a relationship somewhere in between, and just like life, there is argument, compromise, and standing one's ground.
(Obviously, someone who'd drain family finances on a gun obsession, or suggesting selling off a collection in extreme financial straits is a different matter…)
I can understand the fear argument (if it's truly legitimate), and that can be dealt with reason, education, and exposure. But someone who wants to deprive you of something core to your identity or that makes you happy for reasons borne of control or insecurity, is by definition, not someone worth keeping. And your firearm collection is easily more important than "that person".
Admittedly, it's kind of a catch-22, and a case of circular logic, but essentialy the significant other who accepts firearm ownership is the significant other worth more than the firearms.
czbegenner
Member
An old man once asked me a question, "a robber is in your home and ask you
to give up something you only have a few items of value in your home which
do you give up(1) Your lovely wife,or your collection of guns including a rem 870 tacital shotgun.I told him i would give up the guns,the man explaned to me:"Son you do not give up your guns,a woman can always be replaced,but how about that german lugger,or the way that rem feels in your hand.So i would have to say i would give up the woman,instead of my guns" I looked at him stranged,but as i got older and went threw mess(divorce) etc i understood what he meant.I would choose the gun over the woman any day,If she loved you she would understand this is something you were doing long before you met her. Like i said i gave up bodybulding for my EX WIFE WHY?("I dont want you in that gym and the woman looking at your body") I was young,and thought i was doing the right thing.Don't let a woman control you to the point you give up who you realy are.Look man you have nine weapons it took a while to get there (did it not?) Ive lost three weapons behind a woman: A ak-47, a mack-90 ,a ar-15 yes i did but i have learned .
Its taken me a while to start again in collecting my weapons ,I started out
with that 9mm High-point,Now i have a Rugger357 police security six,9mm High-point REM870 TACITAL (YES TACITAL) Express supper mag, and now I own a Glock 22 40cal. so i am slowly bulding my weapons again.As a former
solider i want to always be ready for anything(even if it never comes).Please
don't ever let a woman come between certain things in life,my are:
(1) God he is the first the last without him im nothing.
(2) My love of my k-9's (If my life is on the line i know he will save me.)
(3) my love of drums and bagpipes(was born to play music)
(4) my kids
(5) my weapons (hand guns, rifles,shotguns, etc
to give up something you only have a few items of value in your home which
do you give up(1) Your lovely wife,or your collection of guns including a rem 870 tacital shotgun.I told him i would give up the guns,the man explaned to me:"Son you do not give up your guns,a woman can always be replaced,but how about that german lugger,or the way that rem feels in your hand.So i would have to say i would give up the woman,instead of my guns" I looked at him stranged,but as i got older and went threw mess(divorce) etc i understood what he meant.I would choose the gun over the woman any day,If she loved you she would understand this is something you were doing long before you met her. Like i said i gave up bodybulding for my EX WIFE WHY?("I dont want you in that gym and the woman looking at your body") I was young,and thought i was doing the right thing.Don't let a woman control you to the point you give up who you realy are.Look man you have nine weapons it took a while to get there (did it not?) Ive lost three weapons behind a woman: A ak-47, a mack-90 ,a ar-15 yes i did but i have learned .
Its taken me a while to start again in collecting my weapons ,I started out
with that 9mm High-point,Now i have a Rugger357 police security six,9mm High-point REM870 TACITAL (YES TACITAL) Express supper mag, and now I own a Glock 22 40cal. so i am slowly bulding my weapons again.As a former
solider i want to always be ready for anything(even if it never comes).Please
don't ever let a woman come between certain things in life,my are:
(1) God he is the first the last without him im nothing.
(2) My love of my k-9's (If my life is on the line i know he will save me.)
(3) my love of drums and bagpipes(was born to play music)
(4) my kids
(5) my weapons (hand guns, rifles,shotguns, etc
marksman13
Member
Cut her loose. Good partners don't give ultimatums. Although I would suggest finding out why she is so terrified of guns. There could be something in her past that predisposes her to a hatred of fear of firearms. Maybe you can shed some light on the issue for her. Maybe she will share your passion one day. Or she just might sell off all your guns while at work one day (happened to an uncle of mine). I wouldn't give up my hobbies for anybody. The things I enjoy make up who I am.
czbegenner
Member
Congrads tenvol, AS i stated early don't allow anyone to change you from who you are,don't let anyone take your makeup of who you realy are away from you.If she realy wants you she will accept you for all things in your life,good or bad(well together you can work on the bad).What i want you to understand from someone who's been there,yes find out by all means why she dosen't like them,and try to reason with her,But man don't give up your
weapons,think about how long it took you to get where you are with your weapons??? Think about the hours you put in reloads,firing them cleaning them,becoming a part of that weapon(this did not happen over night.)
Try to come to a good answer,if she still not buging /SAY LA VE? SEE YA
MOVE ON MAN
weapons,think about how long it took you to get where you are with your weapons??? Think about the hours you put in reloads,firing them cleaning them,becoming a part of that weapon(this did not happen over night.)
Try to come to a good answer,if she still not buging /SAY LA VE? SEE YA
MOVE ON MAN
Vern Humphrey
Member
I giver him all the Double Ought buckshot in the Remington 870, or all he can crawl out the door with, whichever is greater.
Notch
Member
He is NOT choosing "worldly possesions" over another person. He IS choosing to continue enjoying A PASSION rather than end it because someone else wants to change him to fit better into the model they are looking for. To do otherwise would be SPINELESS. Being a man and an adult means being YOUR OWN MAN and not someone sonmebody else thinks you should be.....Jeesh.
Tomcat47
Member
I agree with the above...ULTIMATUMS NEVER WORK... I hate it for you because it is obvious you care about her.
I will hope for you, that there is hope for her...My favorite motto is from Abraham Lincoln which is:
When the time for action has come ....The time for preperation has passed!
If she does go down the road I hope she never finds her self unprepared in this world, however she would be walking away from the best preperation she could have had. My wife was not avid gun lover by no means (was not!) I have convinced her by not b!@%*!* about my views, but by simple thinking.
I purchased a new gun one day and I showed her what I was going to buy and I asked her...I know you do not care but which one do you like the silver one or the black one (stainless / blue) and she said blue!
I bought myself the stainless one and bought her the blue one. Give it to her and she can now shoot it as good as I can. She is NOW a PROUD firearm owner.
Sheldon J posted this concerning concealed carry and It really makes a lot of simple since, and I hope that your girl friend gets to read the copy of it you leave on the table. (GUN OWNER COULD BE INCLUDED IN MOST OF THIS!)
There’s a lot of misinformation out there these days about people who have chosen to exercise their right to carry a concealed weapon according to the provisions made by state governments.
Here are a few things that CWP holders want people to know about them. Now of course there are exceptions to these general rules but I think you’ll find these things to be true about the vast majority of your legally carrying neighbors.
1. We don’t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don’t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don’t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don’t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
2. We don’t think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren’t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don’t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don’t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extrordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.
3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or “rage” incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don’t pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.
4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other secuity measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.
5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.
6. We do not believe in the concept of “accidental discharges”. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun “going off” was the result of negligence on somebody’s part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.
7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times with an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel to need to take action. Please recognize that it’s very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don’t generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like “there’s a guy running around in the store with a gun” or even simply “I saw a man with a gun in the store” could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.
8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.
9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.
10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don’t believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.
__________________
"The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
You sure did get a lot of response on this thread....
Good Luck!
I will hope for you, that there is hope for her...My favorite motto is from Abraham Lincoln which is:
When the time for action has come ....The time for preperation has passed!
If she does go down the road I hope she never finds her self unprepared in this world, however she would be walking away from the best preperation she could have had. My wife was not avid gun lover by no means (was not!) I have convinced her by not b!@%*!* about my views, but by simple thinking.
I purchased a new gun one day and I showed her what I was going to buy and I asked her...I know you do not care but which one do you like the silver one or the black one (stainless / blue) and she said blue!
I bought myself the stainless one and bought her the blue one. Give it to her and she can now shoot it as good as I can. She is NOW a PROUD firearm owner.
Sheldon J posted this concerning concealed carry and It really makes a lot of simple since, and I hope that your girl friend gets to read the copy of it you leave on the table. (GUN OWNER COULD BE INCLUDED IN MOST OF THIS!)
There’s a lot of misinformation out there these days about people who have chosen to exercise their right to carry a concealed weapon according to the provisions made by state governments.
Here are a few things that CWP holders want people to know about them. Now of course there are exceptions to these general rules but I think you’ll find these things to be true about the vast majority of your legally carrying neighbors.
1. We don’t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don’t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don’t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don’t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
2. We don’t think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren’t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don’t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don’t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extrordinary circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.
3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or “rage” incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don’t pull our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.
4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other secuity measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.
5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.
6. We do not believe in the concept of “accidental discharges”. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun “going off” was the result of negligence on somebody’s part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.
7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times with an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel to need to take action. Please recognize that it’s very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don’t generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like “there’s a guy running around in the store with a gun” or even simply “I saw a man with a gun in the store” could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.
8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.
9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.
10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don’t believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be unarmed victims.
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"The sword dose not cause the murder, and the maker of the sword dose not bear sin" Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac 11th century
You sure did get a lot of response on this thread....
Good Luck!
GW
Member
Keep the guns
Lose the chick
She would not just be forcing you to give up guns
You'd be giving up your principles as well.
It strikes me that this is a major compatibility issue and who needs that so
my 2 cents is lose her and find a kindred spirit.
Good luck to you.
Lose the chick
She would not just be forcing you to give up guns
You'd be giving up your principles as well.
It strikes me that this is a major compatibility issue and who needs that so
my 2 cents is lose her and find a kindred spirit.
Good luck to you.
Redneck with a 40
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I would say "ditch the chick". For me, if the woman cannot accept the fact that I own and enjoy guns as a recreational hobby, as wells as for personal protection, then she's hitting the road. If the woman is stubborn in her brainwashed Brady Campaign/CBS/CNN viewpoints, which are complete crap, then she goes bye-bye. However, if the woman has an open mind and is willing to learn about guns and go to a shooting range, then that's different. Alot of people are "on the fence" when it comes to guns, they can be converted to accept guns, once all of the myths are debunked.
I'll be damned before a woman makes me sell all of my guns. My guns are part of the package. Take it or leave it.
For me, if the woman cannot accept the fact that I own and enjoy guns as a recreational hobby, as wells as for personal protection, then she's hitting the road. If the woman is stubborn in her brainwashed Brady Campaign/CBS/CNN viewpoints, which are complete crap, then she goes bye-bye. However, if the woman has an open mind and is willing to learn about guns and go to a shooting range, then that's different. Alot of people are "on the fence" when it comes to guns, they can be converted to accept guns, once all of the myths are debunked.I'll be damned before a woman makes me sell all of my guns. My guns are part of the package.
Take it or leave it.czbegenner
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yea redneck i agree with you,the media has made having a gun a crime,it all
branwash just like they say my kids and me are a package so are my guns
branwash just like they say my kids and me are a package so are my guns
Buck Nekkid
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Dump her and find someone like this!
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