Glock or HiPoint?

[ndh87]

Let your friend buy the Glock then go to the range together and teach them what you learned from taking your training class. Then you friend has a nice gun a a bit of training.

EDIT: A few people have mentioned revolvers, I started on a ruger speed 6. The GP100s would be in your price range too.

 

[tostada]

I just think it's funny to see people praising the Glock's aesthetics.



pith43:
Your logic baffles me. You buy a crap car, and you break down on the way to work...you get the chance to do it over and over again.
You buy a crap gun, and pull it in self defense... you may lose your life.

I don't buy the hypothetical situation about losing your life because you owned a Hi-Point. Find me a case where someone actually died because their Hi-Point didn't work. They are very reliable guns, and most people buy them because it's that or nothing (or a much more dubious firearm).

While we're speaking hypothetically:

You buy a crap car, you break down, you don't make it to work, you lose your job, your wife leaves you and takes the kids, you jump off a bridge, you have a change of heart and decide to go back to school, but a shark eats you. You spend your golden years as algae-covered shark poop on the bottom of the San Fransisco Bay.

Crap car = eaten by shark!

 

[RichieV]

Originally Posted by RichieV:
I understand what you guys are saying, but the point wasn't actually about the Glock or the HiPoint, it was more about the value of training.

Then why not ask: What value is there in training?

I guess it didn't occur to me at the time

But your question had me thinking about what I asked in the original post. In terms of a Glock vs. a HiPoint, what *is* the value of training? Is it more valuable than the advantages that a Glock has over a HiPoint?

First off, despite the prejudices, a HiPoint, from many reports here and elsewhere, is *not* a junk weapon. It seems to be reliable and accurate and capable. However, I think most can agree that in a side-by-side comparison, a Glock is a better weapon than a HiPoint in many ways:

Glock's Advantages Over HiPoint

• weight
• concealability
• ergonomics
• availability of after-market parts
• capacity of rounds

HiPoint's Advantages Over Glock

• price
• warranty

Of course there are a few arguable qualities where personal preference comes into play such as which gun is better looking, manual safety or not, made in the USA or not, etc. Also, I don't know which one wins out in the question of durability...I think Glock but I really don't know.

Still, side-by-side, it's a no brainer...Glock beats HiPoint.

But, without the benefit of training, many of those advantages are worthless. Does concealability matter if your idea of concealment is Mexican carry? Do ergonomics matter if your idea of a two handed grip is cup and saucering? Does capacity matter if you don't know how to hit your target? Does any of that matter if you don't know how to retain your weapon? Or shoot yourself because you don't know how to present your weapon safely?

A decent training course should address all that. So if you are new gun user and your means are limited, and if the price advantage of a HiPoint allows you to take a quality training course whereas if you purchase a Glock you can *not* take a training course, I say take the lesser gun alongside the training.

--Richard

 

[mgkdrgn]

Have you not heard of Suarez International?

Ya, but unless the OP happens to live across the street from one of the class sites ...he still has to get there, stay there, eat there, get back, take the time off from work ... yadda yadda yadda. All of which will will end up costing as much, if not more, than the class itself, and hence blow the "budget" presented in the OP.

 

[ljnowell]

hi-points warranty isnt much better than glocks. Glock verygood about fixing guns for no cost, unless you boneheaded something. Also, glock tunes up old guns for free all the time too. Warranty would never steer me away from glock.

 

[CoRoMo]

What kind of reception will your Hi Point get you when you show up at Black Water with it?
Don't cry, it happens.

 

[mbt2001]

Glock or HiPoint?

I can't believe that there is actually some kind of comparison being made here... Glock. Hands down.

 

[sendarope]

Glock

Get the Glock. I recommend the Glock 23 compact or the Glock 27 Subcompact. I love both of mine. Accurate. Simple. Proven and tested.

Also get some training. I know it was either/or but you can't skip training. There are other threads on this stuff, but training will help get their mind right and ready to pull the trigger if the need should arise. If someone isn't prepared to pull the trigger before they put the gun in the holster they might not pull the trigger if they pull their gun.

G23: 480 New
G27: 400 Used ( Like new )

 

[melikesguns]

Who cares that a Glock is ugly. I can take mine and shoot "around" your pimped out 1911 all day long!! I have never seen a burglary where the burglar stops and says, "dam that gun is ugly as hell." It goes bang everytime, and isn't that what counts??

 

[RacingJake]

I just got back from the range again after another couple hundred rounds through my Hi Point C9. I'm over 3,000 rounds in less than 60 days, no problems, no jams and no cleaning either

I'm still waiting for something to happen ? cause right now she still puts all 8 rounds in a 2 inch square at 7 yards

I like to buy a Glock 19 this summer before all firearms are banned in the US along with reloading and powders that only last 1 year or a 50 round box a month club is started.

 

[wrxguyusa]

I've found plenty quality training courses for less than $300.

NRA First Steps Pistol (4 hours) ~ $100
NRA Basic Pistol (10 hours) ~ $150
NRA Personal Protection IN The Home (8 hour) ~ $200
Defensive Handgun ~$250

Given a budget of $500-$550, a beginner could buy a $200 gun and afford two of the courses (14-18 hours total) I listed above.
Heck, NRA Instructor courses are only around $300.

These are classroom based training courses. Even the NRA instructor that taught basic pistol for CCW requirements told me they are not worth taking and he refuses to teach them even though he is certified in all of those.

From someone who didn't buy a glock first and has a $300 safe weight, I recommend the Glock and train solo first, find a friend, or join a local pistol club for help. You need to get basic handling skills before jumping into a tactical course.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

It's a good question. The glock is *slightly* better for a LOT more - tough call. Why bother with either the junky gun or the poor value - get something else instead. Couldn't be more pleased with my Taurus 24/7 OSS-DS Tactical.

 

[ljnowell]

It's a good question. The glock is *slightly* better for a LOT more - tough call. Why bother with either the junky gun or the poor value - get something else instead. Couldn't be more pleased with my Taurus 24/7 OSS-DS Tactical.

I dont know exactly what to say about that. Ihope it was a joke. Dont buy junk, instead get a taurus? Glocks are only slightly better, for a lot more money? Hmmm. Somebody is out of touch.

 

[rogertc1]

Glock or HiPoint?
A kind of question a **** would ask.. $150 new or $550. new LOL
Both guns work well but do not compare.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Who cares that a Glock is ugly. I can take mine and shoot "around" your pimped out 1911 all day long!! I have never seen a burglary where the burglar stops and says, "dam that gun is ugly as hell." It goes bang everytime, and isn't that what counts??

How does that saying go ... "Your custom tricked out 1911 you show to your friends .... it's your enemies that get to see your Glock"

 

[melikesguns]

Amen! nuff said! Seriously though, I have owned so many guns, I can't even remember them all. Of all the trading, selling, buying. I have never sold my Glock. I owned a Kimber, worked great,,,,,at times. The Glock and my Smith 638 are the only two that I would bet my life on. And yes, I have owned Colt's, Springfield's, HI-POINT'S, and the rest in one form or another.

If you want to see the ugliest gun ever made, just Google Hi-Point w/ compensator

 

[sohcgt2]

posted by richie v
I guess it didn't occur to me at the time

But your question had me thinking about what I asked in the original post. In terms of a Glock vs. a HiPoint, what *is* the value of training? Is it more valuable than the advantages that a Glock has over a HiPoint?

First off, despite the prejudices, a HiPoint, from many reports here and elsewhere, is *not* a junk weapon. It seems to be reliable and accurate and capable. However, I think most can agree that in a side-by-side comparison, a Glock is a better weapon than a HiPoint in many ways:

There is no substitute for training and if auto pistol training is the goal there can be no better pistol than the High Point. As an owner of both I can attest to the training that results from a trip to the range with a High Point firearm. I have never cycled a full 10 round magazine without some type of failure. Because of this high quality piece of equipment I have the strong belief that if my Glock ever fails (never has) my training with the High Point will prevail and the Glock will be returned to service in short order. I still own the High Point because I'm aware it is a novellty firearm and is only barely functional.

Limited training with something that works as you percieve it should is far far better than extensive training with something less effective than a two shot derringer (at least the derringer was designed to breach and hand load every 2 shots). Get the training first then get the most reliable equipment affordable (I'm guessing used Rossi revolver).

 

[Lonestar.45]

Glock.

"Training" is so highly overrated in here at times. One does not need to go to Gunsite or Thunder Ranch to plug a thug coming through your window. Grannies and folks in wheelchairs to it all the time.

I'm not saying training is useless, quite the contrary. But if a newbie just spent some quality range time with the Glock, learned how to take care of it, and had some situational awareness and common sense, I feel that is all 99% of the people need if they are defending themselves in their home.

I vote for the Glock, and then down the road, get some training if they feel like they would benefit or need it.

 

[sltintexas]

a buddy of mine told me he wanted a gun. He had been wanting one for a while. He mentioned he wanted a glock but couldn't afford one. I told him about my hi points and how reliable and cheap they were. We went to a gun show the next weekend and he bought a C9.

So in his case a Hi Point was better cuz he wasn't getting a glock. I took him to the range and showed him and his son the basics.

 

[ljnowell]

So in his case a Hi Point was better cuz he wasn't getting a glock. I took him to the range and showed him and his son the basics.

I wouldnt say it was better. I would say that if its all he can afford he is better off with it than nothing.