Got a job in NYC... CT/westchester county questions

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I recently accepted a job offer in Manhattan starting in summer 2009 after completing an internship in the city this past summer.

I'm a college student I serve as an auxiliary police officer in florida, which allowed me cover under HR 218 during the summer (FL auxiliary are armed).

Obviously, moving to NYC will mean I resign my volunteer post, and must navigate NYC's and the region's ridiculous laws.

I plan on doing the following this immediately - get my Florida CCW, and once I receive that, apply for the Connecticut non-resident CCW.

I see that CT does not require a permit for possession but does require one for purchase, my understanding is that moving in from out of state with the weapons I currently possess would thus not require registration or anything else. The AW regulations are a little harder to follow, from what it looks like only specific models are banned? Is there an "evil features" restriction? NO restrictions on magazine capacities?

This is just going off a quick reading of the following
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CTSL.pdf

of course, the ridiculous solution would be to continue as an auxiliary officer there, although I won't have time to do it properly, and having to have a badge to preserve your gun rights is ridiculous :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance for your help everyone.
 
Congrats - I hear it's a tough job market, so good on 'ya.

I am no expert, but looked into CT's laws when considering a move, and was under the impression that you DO need a pistol permit to merely own a handgun in CT, issued by the local PD on a relatively shall-issue basis. The CT state police can issue you a statewide CCW after that, also relatively shall-issue.

I also believe that EBR's are banned on a name basis, but off-list brands have an "Evil features" test.

I also remember reading that full-caps were OK.

Hopefully a CT member will clear this up. You could try a search to see if you can find a recent thread on member Ohen Cepel's (?) considered move to CT. That's where I remember reading what I mentioned.
 
You need a "permit to carry pistols or revolvers" to purchase a handgun in CT. I am not sure, but I am not aware that you need a permit to possess a gun legally bought somewhere else, when you move here from somewhere else. No "high cap" limits.
There is a state assault weapons ban, which is nearly identical to the federal one that sunsetted. It has an evil features list, as well as a specific guns list. You could find the wording by googling CT assault weapons ban. You can own rifles functionally identical to the banned ones, and there are some loopholes where for example you can own a saiga in anything except 7.62x39, as long as it doesn't break the evil features list rules. An "ak type" according to the attorney general shoots 7.62x39. You can own a fal as long as it isn't an FN. Features list will apply, which basically ends up meaning you have to have a muzzle brake, not a flash hider, and it has to be permanently fixed. AR 15's are allowed, just not Colt's. All have to be "ban compliant" if they have a detachable magazine.
The laws don't make much sense, so you really would be best off calling a knowledgeable shop and asking them.
Things to be aware of if you decide to read and interpret the laws yourself: Muzzle breaks are not evil. Flash hiders are. You will burn up your one allowed evil feature with the pistol grip. So, no flash hider, no grenade launcher, no threads for muzzle attachments, must be welded, no bayonet, or bayonet lug.
You can have all the evil features on something like an SKS, because it doesn't have a detachable mag.
Anyway, hope this helps, not confuses you more. If you are confused, it might mean you are understanding the laws lol.
 
Aux officers in NYPD are not issued guns.
License to own in NYC is $340 plus $99 fingerprinting fee,
License is good for 3 years, takes 6-8 months to get.
Go to 1 police plaza to get application or you can get it online now. Do a search for NYPD Licencsing Division.
Follow instructions to the letter, give them EXACTLY what they ask for no more no less,

Remove your brain from the process as much of what you have to do makes no logical sense
 
if you are moving to CT, bring your handguns with you, just don't take them out of the house until you've gotten your CT pistol permit. CT does have a personal property exemption for traveling with a handgun into CT without a permit.

also, don't bring anything that constitutes an "assault weapon" :rolleyes: under CT law.

don't bring any handguns into NYC or NY State unless you are participating in a national match shoot, another NRA sanctioned shoot, or are making an uninterrupted trip through the state to another destination.
 
I found the assault weapons ban for CT:

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:


(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A bayonet mount;

(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) A grenade launcher; or

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

(iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

(b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.

So, the ban includes the specific guns mentioned, and anything with a detachable magazine that has more than one of the "evil features," which are listed in section (A).
Notes:
AK type has been clarified to mean anything that shoots 7.62x39, has interchangeable parts with, and the operating system of an AK. So, an "AK type" in anything other than x39 isn't an "AK type" according to the ban. This is why you can own .223, .308, or shotgun Saigas. For the shotguns Saigas, if you convert it to a pistol grip, you can only use 5 round mags.
The Fal ban only mentions FN Fals. So, other manufacturers are allowed as long as they abide by the "only one evil feature" section(DSA Fal). AR15's, same thing. No Colts (way to go, screw the CT manufacturer), but otherwise if they conform to the evil features restrictions, they are allowed.
What most people end up with is a rifle with a muzzle brake instead of a flash hider, permanently affixed. No folding or telescoping stock, no bayonet mount, no grenade launcher. The pistol grip is your one "evil feature" in most cases. If you have a rifle without a detachable magazine, like an SKS, you can have all of the evil features.
 
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Aux. Police in NYC are unarmed & unpaid. Ride in different colored cars, have different shields, & don't get much respect from the regular PD in my opinion.

Two were killed not too long ago when they chased an armed bad guy who turned and shot them.

Still interested?
 
Some CT towns have auxiliary police that are armed. The CT state police had an Aux. unit but when I lived in CT 15years ago they weren't adding any new members. If you want to live in NY, look in Orange County. It is a long haul to NYC but its the only county in the NYC area that will issue full carry permits.
 
Obviously, you're not a bad guy!

I was born and raised in NYC. I live in Houston, TX now.

But, from what I remember (which isn't too long ago), you could buy an AK or an AR for about $900 ON THE STREET! Anything you need? Got the dough? No problem! Money talks!

Basically, you might as well sell your handguns NOW and your assault rifles NOW BEFORE you move to the NYC area. You can keep your shotguns and hunting rifles (if you get an NYPD permit for long guns).

But, if you want to keep them....my lips are sealed.
 
I don't want to start a new thread for this unless I have to, but I have a question:

What does it take to own an AR-15 in New York City? Provided it has no bayonet lug, flash suppressor, or telestock.

Sorry for the digression but I would like some help!
 
You need a "permit to carry pistols or revolvers" to purchase a handgun in CT.

You do NOT need the state permit to carry pistols and revolvers to own or buy one. If you are moving into the state, you can drive them unloaded, locked up, etc straight to your residence where they can never legally leave UNTIL you get the state permit. You do need at least an "eligibility certificate" (not the same as the pistol permit), which is only good for a short (60 days?) period of time to purchase a handgun and then you can take it either home or place of business IF you're the owner. Seeing as how you have to meet many of the same criteria as getting the pistol permit, it's pretty stupid just to no go ahead and get the full blown permit which allows you to carry concealed.

Interesting fact. If you compare all of the state pistol permit holders to the number of people eligible to get the permit, CT has the fourth highest ratio of concealed carry permit holders in the US. Even higher than gun loving states like AZ, TX and FL. This is not necessarily because people want to carry concealed. If you wish to do ANYTHING more than merely "own" a handgun, you're pretty much required to get the state permit because you can NOT transport a handgun (regardless of condition) in ANY way and without a valid temporary or permanent state permit, you risk a Class D felony. Because of the "regardless of condition" wording, I take that to mean detail stripped, locked in 5 different containers, no ammo even in the car, etc. BELIEVE me...I know this first hand as I have a good ol' southern boy ex-coworker sitting in jail right now because, even though I warned him, he did NOT feel he needed a permit because it was "stupid" just to go to the range. WRONG!!! Undercover state police officer spot checked the range and he got popped with THREE handguns and no permit. I heard he was charged with TWO Class D felonies for EACH handgun. One for illegal possession (can't be outside the house) and the other for illegal transportation of a hand gun. :eek: Don't know what the final outcome was but I bet SIX felony charges pretty damned painful...and expensive. The bottom line is even that little old lady with a .38 snubby in her night stand who NEVER intends to carry a day in her life MUST have the full state/carry permit to legally go to the range once or twice a year to not end up like my ex-coworker.

The laws do say you can transport a handgun (without permit) to a place where "formal training" is to be accomplished. According to Sgt. Bastura (XO of the SFLU), range practice is NOT "formal training". If you get stopped, you'd better be able to prove you're on your way to "formal training" by having your name on a sign up roster or something in writing when returning saying you completed the training and have it DATED.

You can have all the evil features on something like an SKS, because it doesn't have a detachable mag.

The bull-sheeyat thing is I can convert an SKS in 7.62 to take AK-47 mags and put on a pistol gripped non-folding stock and grind off the bayonet lug and essentially have a heavier version of an AK. Same firepower, capacity and perfectly legal. Oh, and there is no ban on magazine types/capacity or hollowpoints. You can have ARs that are not specifically banned by name, like Colt, but, like was was said previously, only ONE "evil" feature with the detachable magazine. Surprisingly, class III full auto stuff is perfectly legal once you go through the hoops. So, a "real" full auto AK-47 is legal, but the semi-auto one in 7.62 is not. I guess CT just relies on the fact that full auto anything is so expensive that it will remain a rarity. :rolleyes:

As for defining the "AK type" that is banned... I bought an AK-74 in 5.45 at a gun show in Waterbury and sort of freaked out when I researched the laws after the fact. Again, in email exchanges with Sgt. Bastura, he explained the "three criteria" thing. In order for it to be a "type", it has to meet all three requirements of: 1) Does it "look" like an AK-47? Yup on the 74 aside from the distinctive muzzle break. 2) Does it "function" like an AK-47? Definitely. And 3) can AK-47 parts be swapped into the rifle and make it function? Nope...ain't no way you're stuffing a 7.62 down a 5.45 chamber. So it passes by failing the 3rd criteria...for now. Hope they don't change anything in the future. Again, :rolleyes:

One more thing to add... When getting the state permit, you start by applying for the temporary state permit through the police department in the town you live in. Do NOT let them impose ANY extra requirements beyond what the state requires. Many towns require things like three letters of reference vouching that you're a "good guy" and they must include that they know this letter is specifically for obtaining a state permit. You do NOT have to provide these and they are NOT a state requirement. My town asked for them and tried to jack me around. A call to the station from the SFLU straightened that right up. The BFPE FAQs (most of which are no longer there because they were afraid people would take their answers as legal advice - I know because I asked where they went) stated that any requirement beyond what the state needed was NOT a reason for denial of a permit application in any way. Besides, think about it... What's a guy new to the state to do about getting three letters of recommendation? Ask co-workers or neighbors who barely know you to knowingly endorse hand gun ownership? Some towns not only require the letter, but they will follow up and actually call the letter writers, too. Not gonna happen as I sure wouldn't put my butt on the line like that and I'd rather they not know anyway. You cannot use family members for the letters, also. Fortunately, again, this is NOT a requirement and can NOT affect you getting your state permit. Hope this info helps and I do, in fact, live in CT.

Added for those who don't know... SFLU = Special Firearms and Licensing Unit (state police/department of public safety firearms unit) and BFPE = Board of Firearms and Permit Examiners (they issue the permits, do revocations, appeals process).
 
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Actually, I think you can. Only the Colt is banned by name, and the AR with only a pistol grip + a detachable mag (I think) is kosher...

But I don't know...

Thank you for you help, perhaps we can get some more input. If this needs to be a new thread, Mods let me know.
 
any AR-15 styled weapon is banned in NYC, believe me I've tried to find a workaround but to no avail
 
For those claiming that flash suppressors are illegal... WRONG! They are no more evil than any of the other evil features and are treated the same on a rifle having a detachable magazine. Perfectly legal on something like a non-folding stock Mini 14 or M1 carbine. Just can't have the pistol grip commonly associated with "assault" type rifles.

Here the entire "banninated" verbiage from the CT state website:

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A bayonet mount;

(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) A grenade launcher; or

(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(i) A folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

(iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
 
Actually, I think you can. Only the Colt is banned by name, and the AR with only a pistol grip + a detachable mag (I think) is kosher...

It is. I just has to have the bayonet lug removed or otherwise make it so a bayonet can't be attached to it. I have no idea how a bayonet actually mounts on the AR platform, but if it has a lug, you have to grind it off like what was done to my AK-74.

One thing I've never received an answer to was my question to the BFPE/SFLU regarding the "bullet button" magazine removal conversion that can be used on ARs. This is how ARs can be legally owned in California because it converts the rifle into a "non-detachable" magazine rifle. This is because you need a tool (bullet point) to remove the magazine. I wonder if this would fly in CT so we can have more than one "evil" feature on an AR.
 
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