Can you store an loaded pistol, unlocked, in your house, or carry concealed on your own property in Germany? Thanks...
Gun friendly countries?
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1.) No firearm can be stored outside a safe
2.) You can carry anything you like (and legally own) both concealed and open on your property
Regards,
Trooper
2.) You can carry anything you like (and legally own) both concealed and open on your property
Regards,
Trooper
Spain
Anyone have any idea how difficult it is to get a legal handgun in Spain?
EDIT:
Just found this site: European Countries
Anyone have any idea how difficult it is to get a legal handgun in Spain?
EDIT:
Just found this site: European Countries
Trooper:
Thanks for the info. The best self defense legal advice I can offer may not work equally well in Germany, but it has to help: After a S-D shooting, keep repeating the mantra "I was afraid for my life." If you shoot to defend another, "I was afraid for his/her life."
Say it early and often, and repeatedly. Your mental state at the time of shooting will be part of the court proceedings, so (obviously) never say anything macho or Rambo-like. Just "I was afraid for my life."
Matt
Thanks for the info. The best self defense legal advice I can offer may not work equally well in Germany, but it has to help: After a S-D shooting, keep repeating the mantra "I was afraid for my life." If you shoot to defend another, "I was afraid for his/her life."
Say it early and often, and repeatedly. Your mental state at the time of shooting will be part of the court proceedings, so (obviously) never say anything macho or Rambo-like. Just "I was afraid for my life."
Matt
Im a Norwegian, so here's an insider 
To be able to buy shotguns and rifles you have to take a hunter-class. This costs a fee, and takes 30 hours. It is insanely easy, and I slept through all mine.
After that, you go the police, pay even more fees, and can apply for a firearm licens, up to 5 firearms per 1 fee.
E.g: Rem 870 for Rabbit, another 870 stainless for waterfowl, Ruger Mini-14 for deer, and a Rem 700 for elk.
You can own weapons like stated above from you are 16 years, with your parents permit.
To be able to buy military style rifles like AR15, AUG, SIG SG551 SWAT, etc, you have to be a member of an IPSC club, and be atleast 18.
To buy handguns, you must be a member of a shootingclub that uses handguns, and must be atleast 21. You must also be an active shooter for 6 months prior to getting any licenses.
And then:
We cant get CCW's, the government outlawed the use of LEAD in shotgun-cartridges, making the price go way up. They'll outlaw lead in bullets soon I predict. There is also a new law pending, making 6 weapons the max you can own, for hunters, without documenting special needs.
In addition, the law now states that you can get a license for something, if you dont have anything that SUITS that need particularly.
E.g: You have a Rem700 for elk, but want a Mini-14 for Deer.
Right now, thats all good.
But, now the law may be changed, so that if you have a weapon that can LEGALLY be used for a purpose, you dont get another gun. So, if you have a Rem700, you are legally allowed to take deer, and wouldnt get the Mini-14. Understand?
Sorry for the long post.
Makes me mad too se my countrymen get disarmed.
To be able to buy shotguns and rifles you have to take a hunter-class. This costs a fee, and takes 30 hours. It is insanely easy, and I slept through all mine.
After that, you go the police, pay even more fees, and can apply for a firearm licens, up to 5 firearms per 1 fee.
E.g: Rem 870 for Rabbit, another 870 stainless for waterfowl, Ruger Mini-14 for deer, and a Rem 700 for elk.
You can own weapons like stated above from you are 16 years, with your parents permit.
To be able to buy military style rifles like AR15, AUG, SIG SG551 SWAT, etc, you have to be a member of an IPSC club, and be atleast 18.
To buy handguns, you must be a member of a shootingclub that uses handguns, and must be atleast 21. You must also be an active shooter for 6 months prior to getting any licenses.
And then:
We cant get CCW's, the government outlawed the use of LEAD in shotgun-cartridges, making the price go way up. They'll outlaw lead in bullets soon I predict. There is also a new law pending, making 6 weapons the max you can own, for hunters, without documenting special needs.
In addition, the law now states that you can get a license for something, if you dont have anything that SUITS that need particularly.
E.g: You have a Rem700 for elk, but want a Mini-14 for Deer.
Right now, thats all good.
But, now the law may be changed, so that if you have a weapon that can LEGALLY be used for a purpose, you dont get another gun. So, if you have a Rem700, you are legally allowed to take deer, and wouldnt get the Mini-14. Understand?
Sorry for the long post.
Makes me mad too se my countrymen get disarmed.
It's always good to hear from our overseas brothers-in-arms.
Mini 14 for deer? The 223 is a little on the light side for deer, isn't it?
Anyway,it sounds as if many countries are actually better than the US from a standpoint of a collector or recreational shooter. If you like to collect miiltary style firearms Germany, Finland and Norway and Switzerland might not be so bad. But from the standpoint of someone who feels the need to carry guns to protect themselves the US seems better.
Certain ridiculous laws in the US have led to this unfortunate situation, which we must remedy if at all possible. If the AWB dies as it ought to this year I think we can challenge the '89 import ban on the grounds of equal protection. It makes utterly no sense to ban one gun because it is made overseas while an identical gun, made in the US is legal.
Mini 14 for deer? The 223 is a little on the light side for deer, isn't it?
Anyway,it sounds as if many countries are actually better than the US from a standpoint of a collector or recreational shooter. If you like to collect miiltary style firearms Germany, Finland and Norway and Switzerland might not be so bad. But from the standpoint of someone who feels the need to carry guns to protect themselves the US seems better.
Certain ridiculous laws in the US have led to this unfortunate situation, which we must remedy if at all possible. If the AWB dies as it ought to this year I think we can challenge the '89 import ban on the grounds of equal protection. It makes utterly no sense to ban one gun because it is made overseas while an identical gun, made in the US is legal.
Yeah it may be a little small, but the point is to get the Mini-14, not to hunt deer with it, if you know what I mean
I can think of better tools for deerhunting than a Mini-14
As for collectors, there has been some big new restrictions now.
It used to be much easier, but now, people that collect e.g 'Modern assault rifles', 'WW2 weapons', or 'Weapons used by Norgwegian Armed Forces' wont get a license for them.
They have all the right in the world, but they wont.
This is because newer firearms no longer will be permitted for collectors anymore, as they are now much more dangerous for us to own than before, or something
:banghead:
Again, its all part of a disarmament of the people here.
I can think of better tools for deerhunting than a Mini-14
As for collectors, there has been some big new restrictions now.
It used to be much easier, but now, people that collect e.g 'Modern assault rifles', 'WW2 weapons', or 'Weapons used by Norgwegian Armed Forces' wont get a license for them.
They have all the right in the world, but they wont.
This is because newer firearms no longer will be permitted for collectors anymore, as they are now much more dangerous for us to own than before, or something
:banghead:
Again, its all part of a disarmament of the people here.
Finland isn't the most gun friendly country, but:
- When you are 16 you can buy a gun if your parrents allow
- You must have good reason fof havin a gun (self-defence is not a reason here, hunting and target shooting etc. are)
- you cant buy special ammo (AP, I, HE etc.) even the Hollowpoint require a permit from police.
trakcers are allowed without a permit.
- You may not always get a permission for "powerful" hand gun, like .357mag, byt you easily get a .22lr
- When you are 16 you can buy a gun if your parrents allow
- You must have good reason fof havin a gun (self-defence is not a reason here, hunting and target shooting etc. are)
- you cant buy special ammo (AP, I, HE etc.) even the Hollowpoint require a permit from police.
trakcers are allowed without a permit.
- You may not always get a permission for "powerful" hand gun, like .357mag, byt you easily get a .22lr
Thoeretically it is legal in Germany to carry loaded firearms on your real estate, especially your house and garden. The law says YES to that, but you cannot exercise that right.
If some leftist, socialist, tree-hugging goody soccer mom sees you patrolling your garden with an AR-15 , a .44 Mag revolver and a Gerber knife, she'll call the police and cry blue murder about terrorists, amok runners and that she's soooooooooo horribly scared. Then a bunch of SEK stormtroopers (in the USA those boys are called SWAT) will arrive and take you to jail or the loony bin. Then some government shrink will state, that you are mentally deranged and unfit for further responsible firearms ownership. Your weapons will be confiscated.
:banghead:
If some leftist, socialist, tree-hugging goody soccer mom sees you patrolling your garden with an AR-15 , a .44 Mag revolver and a Gerber knife, she'll call the police and cry blue murder about terrorists, amok runners and that she's soooooooooo horribly scared. Then a bunch of SEK stormtroopers (in the USA those boys are called SWAT) will arrive and take you to jail or the loony bin. Then some government shrink will state, that you are mentally deranged and unfit for further responsible firearms ownership. Your weapons will be confiscated.
:banghead:
Does anyone have a site that explains Switzerlands gun laws? I know all of the American states have their laws listed on a website, do the cantons have something similar I could check?
The US as a whole, that is the federal gov'ment, still has by far the best gun laws on the planet. The restrictions are annoying, but it's still possible for a free state to allow nearly unrestricted firearm ownership. In AK I can buy an array of small arms with only the Brady check and then basically keep them and carry them in any number of ways that would land me in prison in most European states. There is basically no government oversight unless I do something criminal with the firearms. Nobody has a record of what I own, and nobody can inspect how I keep them.
Israel's laws are fairly strict, and unfortunately Euro-style leftists still have a death grip on much of the civil service over there. So the person who's approving your applications isn't going to be friendly. But like one fellow said, when the SHTF over there you won't need to worry about gun laws. Just snag a rifle off a corpse in the street.
Swiss gun laws are under attack by the same cadre of Euro leftists.
Plus, we have a vibrant lawful gun culture in the US. In most foreign nature there either is no lawful gun culture or it's in hiding. I've lost count of the number of foreigners who have been abjectly shocked to hear me discuss my firearms on a public forum. It upsets them deeply, which pleases me no end
Israel's laws are fairly strict, and unfortunately Euro-style leftists still have a death grip on much of the civil service over there. So the person who's approving your applications isn't going to be friendly. But like one fellow said, when the SHTF over there you won't need to worry about gun laws. Just snag a rifle off a corpse in the street.
Swiss gun laws are under attack by the same cadre of Euro leftists.
Plus, we have a vibrant lawful gun culture in the US. In most foreign nature there either is no lawful gun culture or it's in hiding. I've lost count of the number of foreigners who have been abjectly shocked to hear me discuss my firearms on a public forum. It upsets them deeply, which pleases me no end
Duh, you're SO pessimistic...
If you have enough patience, guts and a good insurance you can take it to court. And you'll most likely win. But it probably would take years.
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Only in the generic sense... still looking for "Cantonese" laws, etc but since I don't sprechen der Sviss, I'm SOL
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Only in the generic sense... still looking for "Cantonese" laws, etc but since I don't sprechen der Sviss, I'm SOL
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